Gt350 vs e92 M3

[VoodooV8]

M2 0-60 4.2, 1/4 mile 12.7
GT350 0-60 4.3, 1/4 mile 12.5

please explain your definition of "way slower"

Okay, I'll explain it.

12.5.. is a VERY slow time for 526hp/3700lbs. Very slow. BUT.. it trapped 118mph. 113mph is a much slower trap speed than 118mph.

Many people are already hitting 12 flat and high 11's. I guarantee you will never see a stock M2 get even close.

MotorTrend is who you're quoting correct for those GT350 times right?

12.5 at 117.6 mph if I'm not mistaken. Slow right? Well.. that same magazine.. got 12.7 at 107.8 mph with the M2. With a DCT (extremely fast transmission). All that means is they got a great launch, while the GT350 (has proven tough to launch with first gear going to 54mph, not to mention you got to shift RIGHT before 60mph which skews 0-60 times I'm sure) did NOT get a decent launch, but easily destroyed it in a straight line performance standard of trap speed.

Trap speed is the end-all, be-all in terms of acceleration.

If a car ran a 10.9.. but trapped 115mph.. in any normal race.. ANYWHERE.. the GT350 would pull on it.

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[ihc95]

Okay, I'll explain it.

12.5.. is a VERY slow time for 526hp/3700lbs. Very slow. BUT.. it trapped 118mph. 113mph is a much slower trap speed than 118mph.

Many people are already hitting 12 flat and high 11's. I guarantee you will never see a stock M2 get even close.

MotorTrend is who you're quoting correct for those GT350 times right?

12.5 at 117.6 mph if I'm not mistaken. Slow right? Well.. that same magazine.. got 12.7 at 107.8 mph with the M2. With a DCT (extremely fast transmission). All that means is they got a great launch, while the GT350 (has proven tough to launch with first gear going to 54mph, not to mention you got to shift RIGHT before 60mph which skews 0-60 times I'm sure) did NOT get a decent launch, but easily destroyed it in a straight line performance standard of trap speed.

Trap speed is the end-all, be-all in terms of acceleration.

If a car ran a 10.9.. but trapped 115mph.. in any normal race.. ANYWHERE.. the GT350 would pull on it.

I quoted all Car and Driver times just to keep it constant. 12.5@117 is what they got for the 350. Also, a DCT M2 has not been tested yet by any of the major magazines so I think the 12.7@113 will turn into 12.4-12.5@116ish with the DCT, since an M4 usually drops a few tenths and picks up a few mph with it vs a 6MT. Don't get me wrong, obviously the GT350 is the faster car (as it very well should be). I'm just saying the difference isn't all that big, or as big as it should be.

 

[Rogue]

This thread is about to become a giant headache. Feel sorry for all who click on it now.

 

[mustang_guy]

This thread is about to become a giant headache. Feel sorry for all who click on it now.

You think so? I dont think we are nearing that yet. :shrug:

 

[6G]

Again, who is most people and what cars they owned? I would not touch a 550 or 750 beyond warranty but M5 or an M3 are both rock solid cars. You have to own one personally to understand the attention to the detail and engineering. BMW's M division is one of the best and they make (or used to make) significant changes to a car. In the case of E92 M3, 80% or more of the car is different than the standard 3 series.

I cannot speak about the new M3/M4 though as I owned mine only for 6 months. I think with the introduction of the F10 M5, BMW M changed its philosophy a lot. They are cutting costs and putting an M badge on every car. I would say the last true M car that I would buy used and keep it long time is E92 M3. M5 is "maybe" as it still carries some of the core design philosophy. A lot of bespoke parts and a lot of "overengineerined" parts. There are people who make 1000 hp on stock block and stock parts with just tune, downpipes, and meth. That tells you how strong these cars are. Try taking a base mustang or corvette and without changing the engine's core components, increase the horse power by 90-100% and see what happens.

So, a little about myself before I make a few points:

I started with a e39 M5. Then I transitioned over to a E46 m3 coupe with an smg. Traded that for an e46 m3 with a 6 speed. Traded that for a low mileage e60 M5 for 2 weeks. I went from the e60 to my current E92 335i with bolt ons. I often go to meets and have friend who own e92 m3's.

Having said that.. You sir are in the extreme (and i mean the very extreme) minority if you think M3's and M5's (or any modern bmw's) are rock solid cars when it comes to reliability. I agree with you that the engineering behind these cars is intoxicating (hence, why i continued to purchase bmw's for all those years). But what you are trying to say is very very very very very misleading; espeically when you said "There are people who make 1000 hp on stock block and stock parts with just tune, downpipes, and meth." :lol: The maintenance costs associated with these cars is just ridiculous (especially at those power levels). I break stuff all the time. In fact, my n54 335i is in the shop right now. :frusty: This was enough for me to actively hunt for a S550 gt premium. But seriously man, some of your facts are way off. I mean sure you could have had the perfect m3's and m5's; but that wasn't the case for 99% of other M owners out there.

- From a fellow BMW enthusiast.

 

[Todd15Fastback]

So, a little about myself before I make a few points:

I started with a e39 M5. Then I transitioned over to a E46 m3 coupe with an smg. Traded that for an e46 m3 with a 6 speed. Traded that for a low mileage e60 M5 for 2 weeks. I went from the e60 to my current E92 335i with bolt ons. I often go to meets and have friend who own e92 m3's.

Having said that.. You sir are in the extreme (and i mean the very extreme) minority if you think M3's and M5's (or any modern bmw's) are rock solid cars when it comes to reliability. I agree with you that the engineering behind these cars is intoxicating (hence, why i continued to purchase bmw's for all those years). But what you are trying to say is very very very very very misleading; espeically when you said "There are people who make 1000 hp on stock block and stock parts with just tune, downpipes, and meth." :lol: The maintenance costs associated with these cars is just ridiculous (especially at those power levels). I break stuff all the time. In fact, my n54 335i is in the shop right now. :frusty: but seriously man, facts are way off. I mean sure you could have had the perfect m3's and m5's; but that wasn't the case for 99% of the M owners out there.

I know [MENTION=16871]mustang_guy[/MENTION] would agree with you 10000000% on your post.

 

[mustang_guy]

Holy crap. A bmw owner thats honest about how the bmw cars really are. I about fell out of my chair.

 

[6G]

I know [MENTION=16871]mustang_guy[/MENTION] would agree with you 10000000% on your post.

Yeah. He's probably seen the worst of it since he's a BMW master tech.

 

[6G]

Holy crap. A bmw owner thats honest about how the bmw cars really are. I about fell out of my chair.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[mustang_guy]

Yeah. He's probably seen the worst of it since he's a BMW master tech.

You're also one of the few euro owners that actually agree with what i say. I understand loving a brand more then others but for a group to deny their reliability to the ends of the earth is down right staggering. Its refreshing to see someone acknowledging what their car brand is and loving it anyway instead of denying. Shame i cant buy you a beer. :cheers:

 

[6G]

You're also one of the few euro owners that actually agree with what i say. I understand loving a brand more then others but for a group to deny their reliability to the ends of the earth is down right staggering. Its refreshing to see someone acknowledging what their car brand is and loving it anyway instead of denying. Shame i cant buy you a beer. :cheers:

I appreciate that man!

 

[ir0nxchefx]

I bought a new e92 M3 DCT in 2010, and it was a fun car. Easy to drive I enjoyed the interior, sound system and the seats I felt were fantastic. My biggest issue with the car was the low torque. Once the warranty ended I supercharged the car with an evolve kit, added jrz coilovers, full on suspension work, and a brembo BBK......already had a dinan exhaust. That was when the car woke up and became a blast to drive.

I think I was one of the lucky ones, I didnt have any issues with the car under warranty, out of warranty I had to replace a radiator fan and battery. Keep in mind if you get an e92 m3 out of warranty be prepared to pay a lot of money to fix things.

My wake up call to get rid of the car came when we changed out the rod bearings, mind you in 6 years of ownership I put 21k miles on the car, and the bearings were scorched to hell and back, also after supercharging the car it developed a healthy oil leak, which required replacing the seals.

The e92 M3 is a great car and the s65 engine is great, minus a few issues. However I didnt enjoy driving the car the way I enjoy the 350. Granted the 350 is a bigger car, and a lesser interior, it has a better sound and comes with everything you want out of the box...i feel 0 need to modify the 350.

 

[NicksM3]

I Love my 2011 e92 m3 and building her identicle to the GTS M3. I just replaced the rear Subframe bushings to Delrin/Solid, the diff bushing to Delrin and did the Front Monoball bearings, Coilovers, 6 and 4 Piston StopTech BBK, Track Pads, Motul, Tune, 18' BBS E88's, 275 front and 295 Rear R comp Tires, Alignment ..and i'll tell you it handles better than any GT350 and R out there...i know because ive driven the 350's at LimeRock. Yes my car is built for track duty, and yes if you put some $$ into the 350's suspension it will be better..but the E92 is already a great handling car from Factory, just heavy.
I drive to and from Track days and i can never get rid of this M3....but i have a serious soft spot for the GT350R and will be adding a 2017 R next to my e92. Best of both worlds...DCT and Manual.

 

[Zitrosounds]

there is only 1 definition of power band and that is peak tq to peak hp, the rest of the definition is just internet BS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_band

stock dyno e92 m3, the most perfect dyno shape anyone can ever dream of.

AHHHH! Wikipedia, the most reliable source of information in the WORLD! LOL

 

[Dmk08]

So, a little about myself before I make a few points:

I started with a e39 M5. Then I transitioned over to a E46 m3 coupe with an smg. Traded that for an e46 m3 with a 6 speed. Traded that for a low mileage e60 M5 for 2 weeks. I went from the e60 to my current E92 335i with bolt ons. I often go to meets and have friend who own e92 m3's.

Having said that.. You sir are in the extreme (and i mean the very extreme) minority if you think M3's and M5's (or any modern bmw's) are rock solid cars when it comes to reliability. I agree with you that the engineering behind these cars is intoxicating (hence, why i continued to purchase bmw's for all those years). But what you are trying to say is very very very very very misleading; espeically when you said "There are people who make 1000 hp on stock block and stock parts with just tune, downpipes, and meth." :lol: The maintenance costs associated with these cars is just ridiculous (especially at those power levels). I break stuff all the time. In fact, my n54 335i is in the shop right now. :frusty: This was enough for me to actively hunt for a S550 gt premium. But seriously man, some of your facts are way off. I mean sure you could have had the perfect m3's and m5's; but that wasn't the case for 99% of other M owners out there.

- From a fellow BMW enthusiast.

You are comparing the least reliable BMW of the last 10 years (N54 335i) vs one of the most reliable (e92 m3). and its not even close. Everyone knows 335i N54 are the problem child of BMW with horrible reliability esp if you tune them.

I owned TWO e9x M3s an 08 and an 11 before I got my 15. Neither of them ever had an issue. Over 50000 miles combined.

The biggest problem w/ the E9x is the gearing in the 6spd and no torque.

My F8x would teabag my E92 in performance. No way Ill keep this turbo out of warranty tho.

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