GT vs GT350, Thoughts?

[IPOGT]

Most people either buy huge, gas guzzling pickups or SUVs. Some do buy electric vehicles, but it's still not a lot.

The environment really isn't a concern for most people, but there has definitely been a decrease in sporty vehicle sales. And many sporty vehicles are becoming less sporty and more big and luxurious.

Every day,
our cars are becoming more irrelevant as the changing general public considers them environmental pornography. Get em while you can. Years ago our cars would attract people. Now, the “wokers” hate them and that’s where it’s going.

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[Hack]

Every day,
our cars are becoming more irrelevant as the changing general public considers them environmental pornography. Get em while you can. Years ago our cars would attract people. Now, the “wokers” hate them and that’s where it’s going.

Lots of people like and prefer fun cars. It's just that most people are more sensible than we are, so they don't actually purchase them. Cars are really expensive and it's a luxury to own a newer/nicer car. Financially it's very foolish to buy any new car and especially a new and fun car. Basically it's like taking your money and throwing it into a dumpster. Other things like a house you can at least get some of your money back out of it. New cars just depreciate and the money is GONE.

Some people hate sporty vehicles, but those people hate a lot of things. Generally people don't buy Mustangs because they are practical and smart people.

 

[IPOGT]

Lots of people like and prefer fun cars. It's just that most people are more sensible than we are, so they don't actually purchase them. Cars are really expensive and it's a luxury to own a newer/nicer car. Financially it's very foolish to buy any new car and especially a new and fun car. Basically it's like taking your money and throwing it into a dumpster. Other things like a house you can at least get some of your money back out of it. New cars just depreciate and the money is GONE.

Some people hate sporty vehicles, but those people hate a lot of things. Generally people don't buy Mustangs because they are practical and smart people.

I guess we’re all happy idiots. I’m good with that. You only get to do this once.

 

[Hack]

I guess we’re all happy idiots. I’m good with that. You only get to do this once.

Agreed. My philosophy is that money is for spending on what you like. Cars are my biggest joy in life.

 

[wingnutt]

Agreed. My philosophy is that money is for spending on what you like. Cars are my biggest joy in life.

lol...there’s an innuendo in there somewhere, but who am I to dig it out

 

[Rapid Red]

Lots of people like and prefer fun cars. It's just that most people are more sensible than we are, so they don't actually purchase them. Cars are really expensive and it's a luxury to own a newer/nicer car. Financially it's very foolish to buy any new car and especially a new and fun car. Basically it's like taking your money and throwing it into a dumpster. Other things like a house you can at least get some of your money back out of it. New cars just depreciate and the money is GONE.

Some people hate sporty vehicles, but those people hate a lot of things. Generally people don't buy Mustangs because they are practical and smart people.

How about a cell phone, thrown any money into a dumpster ? Care to think about the ownership of that piece of shit over the past 5 -10 years and I am only talking about the device?

Everything looses value, you highlight the house. That is almost true, but not as big of a return as one may think.

People always focus on the purchase price. Never add up the upkeep & upgrade cost done over the years, to get the REAL number.

Cars yes it's been said 30% lose rolling out the door. So the wise man buys a car he likes, not a fad. And if really wise pays cash.

It is all about freedom of choice, have a blast driving the Mustang. Never liked the car, refinements made to the styling over the last 5 years got my attention.
Sure as hell have more fun with that then sitting in my house.

GT or 350 I'll sum that up this way. Get the PP2 it is a street version of the 350.

A few mods, and from my personal experience it will hang right with the 350.

 

[Hack]

How about a cell phone, thrown any money into a dumpster ? Care to think about the ownership of that piece of shit over the past 5 -10 years and I am only talking about the device?

Everything looses value, you highlight the house. That is almost true, but not as big of a return as one may think.

People always focus on the purchase price. Never add up the upkeep & upgrade cost done over the years, to get the REAL number.

Cars yes it's been said 30% lose rolling out the door. So the wise man buys a car he likes, not a fad. And if really wise pays cash.

It is all about freedom of choice, have a blast driving the Mustang. Never liked the car, refinements made to the styling over the last 5 years got my attention.
Sure as hell have more fun with that then sitting in my house.

GT or 350 I'll sum that up this way. Get the PP2 it is a street version of the 350.

A few mods, and from my personal experience it will hang right with the 350.

Sports cars have a lot of upkeep costs, especially if you track them and they are big and heavy like Mustangs.

I agree spending on things like a cell phone is similar to a car in that it's a waste (phones cost a lot less money than a car, though). I've been lucky to not have to do that for years now. My work phone/plan is plenty good for my needs.

GT vs. GT350 - IMO the GT350 is much better on the street. It just feels more special when taking it easy and obeying traffic laws. Assuming the cars are under warranty, I would recommend against buying a PP2 and modifying it for the track. If you are buying used out of warranty, then modifying a PP2 can become a better deal. The other thing about GT350 vs. GT is the GT350 will retain its value better.

 

[Rapid Red]

Sports cars have a lot of upkeep costs, especially if you track them and they are big and heavy like Mustangs.

I agree spending on things like a cell phone is similar to a car in that it's a waste (phones cost a lot less money than a car, though). I've been lucky to not have to do that for years now. My work phone/plan is plenty good for my needs.

GT vs. GT350 - IMO the GT350 is much better on the street. It just feels more special when taking it easy and obeying traffic laws. Assuming the cars are under warranty, I would recommend against buying a PP2 and modifying it for the track. If you are buying used out of warranty, then modifying a PP2 can become a better deal. The other thing about GT350 vs. GT is the GT350 will retain its value better.

Cell phone cost are a lot less,? Thanks I no idea, man the things one learns on the net , stunning.

Have you ever lowered yourself and driven a PP2? I will admit I looked at the 350, I was surprised the special feeling was 7k over cost. You must be thrilled.

I think I have a well rounded understanding of what cost are involved owning cars that are above average.

 

[Hack]

Cell phone cost are a lot less,? Thanks I no idea, man the things one learns on the net , stunning.

Have you ever lowered yourself and driven a PP2? I will admit I looked at the 350, I was surprised the special feeling was 7k over cost. You must be thrilled.

I think I have a well rounded understanding of what cost are involved owning cars that are above average.

You're the one that brought up cell phones. Seems like your undies are in a bit of a bundle. You might want to pull them out. I do agree with you that the GT is a solid choice if you don't want to spend GT350 money. Definitely I agree as well that the GT350 is a lot more thrilling to drive than a GT. I'm an engine guy and the Voodoo is amazing. But I did have some concerns about longevity and cost to repair for the Voodoo. And I have other things I want to spend money on. That's why I own a GT that I bought used right now. At the time I decided I preferred not to spend more for something new.

I haven't driven a PP2. I'm sure they are fun, just like most Mustangs. I own a PP1 right now, and I owned a 2015 base GT for a year. The GT350 I owned for 3.5 years. So I've driven a number of the variants. A used PP1 Mustang - for my budget - it's a lot more comfortable of a choice rather than the GT350 or even a new PP2. But IMO the PP1 needs mods.

I was never really interested in the PP2. I think Cup 2 tires are overkill for what I want. I owned a 2016 GT350 tech pack car and I think the 300 treadwear Pilot Super Sports were about the stickiest, shortest life tire option I would want to have based on my budget. I'm not going to own a dedicated track car, so whatever I buy will get at least 5-10,000 miles on it yearly. And hopefully at least 2-3 track days. The Pilot SS tires were plenty good enough for my track driving.

I completely disagree with how Ford setup the PP2. Sticky tires to get good magazine numbers, but no cooling for track durability. I already went through the limp mode thing in my GT350 and I don't care to repeat it. I do like the rims and I'm sure I'd like the firmness of the suspension on the PP2. It's a good compromise if you don't drive on track and only use the car a little or plan to replace the tires right away.

My advice is to get some PPF - especially for the area between the door and rear tires. Those sticky Cup 2 front tires will throw rocks at the rear quarters. I had lots of paint chipping after 33,000 miles in the GT350.

 

[Rapid Red]

You're the one that brought up cell phones. Seems like your undies are in a bit of a bundle. You might want to pull them out. I do agree with you that the GT is a solid choice if you don't want to spend GT350 money. Definitely I agree as well that the GT350 is a lot more thrilling to drive than a GT. I'm an engine guy and the Voodoo is amazing. But I did have some concerns about longevity and cost to repair for the Voodoo. And I have other things I want to spend money on. That's why I own a GT that I bought used right now. At the time I decided I preferred not to spend more for something new.

I haven't driven a PP2. I'm sure they are fun, just like most Mustangs. I own a PP1 right now, and I owned a 2015 base GT for a year. The GT350 I owned for 3.5 years. So I've driven a number of the variants. A used PP1 Mustang - for my budget - it's a lot more comfortable of a choice rather than the GT350 or even a new PP2. But IMO the PP1 needs mods.

I was never really interested in the PP2. I think Cup 2 tires are overkill for what I want. I owned a 2016 GT350 tech pack car and I think the 300 treadwear Pilot Super Sports were about the stickiest, shortest life tire option I would want to have based on my budget. I'm not going to own a dedicated track car, so whatever I buy will get at least 5-10,000 miles on it yearly. And hopefully at least 2-3 track days. The Pilot SS tires were plenty good enough for my track driving.

I completely disagree with how Ford setup the PP2. Sticky tires to get good magazine numbers, but no cooling for track durability. I already went through the limp mode thing in my GT350 and I don't care to repeat it. I do like the rims and I'm sure I'd like the firmness of the suspension on the PP2. It's a good compromise if you don't drive on track and only use the car a little or plan to replace the tires right away.

My advice is to get some PPF - especially for the area between the door and rear tires. Those sticky Cup 2 front tires will throw rocks at the rear quarters. I had lots of paint chipping after 33,000 miles in the GT350.

The phone, I'm really surprised you are unable to comprehend the statement and its reference.

On with the next point, I can afford tires, the MT drag radials on the 34 are sticky. So I actually have a bench mark as a reference.

Kind of an engine guy myself, stroked 350, high flow heads, and all that goes with that. The GT fabulous to be owning a DOHC, aluminum block motor . And the engineering that created it, that is tits.

The car will have some track days this year, not competitive just to drive fast, have some fun. The suspension has been tightened up. Even put on the rear braces that even your 350 could use.

I'm glad you enjoy your 350 all for it, however I do the same . The PP2 is the best of both worlds, and I know that makes the hair stand up on the back of your neck.

LMAO
Cheers,
Done

 

[Hack]

The phone, I'm really surprised you are unable to comprehend the statement and its reference.

On with the next point, I can afford tires, the MT drag radials on the 34 are sticky. So I actually have a bench mark as a reference.

Kind of an engine guy myself, stroked 350, high flow heads, and all that goes with that. The GT fabulous to be owning a DOHC, aluminum block motor . And the engineering that created it, that is tits.

The car will have some track days this year, not competitive just to drive fast, have some fun. The suspension has been tightened up. Even put on the rear braces that even your 350 could use.

I'm glad you enjoy your 350 all for it, however I do the same . The PP2 is the best of both worlds, and I know that makes the hair stand up on the back of your neck.

LMAO
Cheers,
Done

Yeah, I'm pretty obtuse so you have to be direct if you want me to grasp much.

You should try the improved versions of the small block Chevy where they got away from the poor siamesed port design. Modern Chevy V8s are much better. More like a 60s Ford V8 engine.

Good luck with the track day. Hopefully you are a slow driver. Otherwise you will end up spending most of your time on the sidelines waiting for the car to cool down. I know you said you are DONE, but I'd like to know what you had to modify in the suspension. I would have thought the PP2 suspension would be good without mods.

I'm surprised you still don't seem to have figured out that I sold the GT350 in 2019. I guess if you don't read my responses that will happen.

 

[wingnutt]

TL;DR

it all boils down to how much you want (or don’t want) to spend...

most expensive...the 350R
least expensive...a base GT

in between are PP1s, PP2s, even supercharged GTs

...pick your price point and enjoy it, there is no right answer

 

[joecasta]

Yeah, I'm pretty obtuse so you have to be direct if you want me to grasp much.

You should try the improved versions of the small block Chevy where they got away from the poor siamesed port design. Modern Chevy V8s are much better. More like a 60s Ford V8 engine.

Good luck with the track day. Hopefully you are a slow driver. Otherwise you will end up spending most of your time on the sidelines waiting for the car to cool down. I know you said you are DONE, but I'd like to know what you had to modify in the suspension. I would have thought the PP2 suspension would be good without mods.

I'm surprised you still don't seem to have figured out that I sold the GT350 in 2019. I guess if you don't read my responses that will happen.

So I'm also firmly within the GT350 camp over the GT if you're talking about a truly special experience, and a dedicated track toy no doubt about it. However, in regards to your conversation with Rapid Red, I own a 19 GT base with non mag-ride suspension, and I am super interested in tracking my car (still fully stock atm). I did a lot of research and if you're interested in seeing true performance of GT on the track, Vorshlag did an awesome series of videos and posts on this forum regarding their testing of various suspension setups (whiteline, BMR, ohlins, MCS, etc.) as well as general performance and recording of autocross and other HPDE events, and they even discuss why they ended up choosing the base GT for their purposes. In addition to that, there's also @Flyhalf who has documented a lot of his experiences regarding cooling and what he's done to his GT in order to get it ready for the track, and he put down some pretty impressive numbers under the thread here https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/s550-lap-times-road-course.35500/, notably at places like Willow Springs and Buttonwillow. It seems like to me that with some cooling and suspension focused mods (especially looking at Steeda's kits like the stop the hop kit and other components from BMR), and if you take the A10, you can actually do pretty well at a legit road course and not just a drag strip as some members on this forum seem to believe (I know you're not saying this, but some people even in this thread are adamant that that is the primary goal of an A10). Now I don't know how much he sank into his build, but besides aero, I would say it might sum up to around the cost of buying a boosted setup just to get cooling and suspension dialed in. To be honest, I'm actually not sure of the true suspension differences if I went for either KW clubsports vs. Ohlins vs. MCS (1 way, 2way, 3way etc.) vs Magneride. However, I really think in terms of bang for buck if you buy an MCS set up (~3-4k) you're going to do pretty close to if not better than magneride for the track, especially with a remote reservoir. I haven't found many people using MCS on mustangs or providing feedback on it on youtube, but in this video the guy set up his pretty cool BMW 1-series track build with MCS dampers and it seems like it runs some solid times too (at 17:18).

 

[Hack]

So I'm also firmly within the GT350 camp over the GT if you're talking about a truly special experience, and a dedicated track toy no doubt about it. However, in regards to your conversation with Rapid Red, I own a 19 GT base with non mag-ride suspension, and I am super interested in tracking my car (still fully stock atm). I did a lot of research and if you're interested in seeing true performance of GT on the track, Steeda did an awesome series of videos and posts on this forum regarding their testing of various suspension setups (whiteline, BMR, ohlins, MCS, etc.) as well as general performance and recording of autocross and other HPDE events, and they even discuss why they ended up choosing the base GT for their purposes. In addition to that, there's also @Flyhalf who has documented a lot of his experiences regarding cooling and what he's done to his GT in order to get it ready for the track, and he put down some pretty impressive numbers under the thread here https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/s550-lap-times-road-course.35500/, notably at places like Willow Springs and Buttonwillow. It seems like to me that with some cooling and suspension focused mods (especially looking at Steeda's kits like the stop the hop kit and other components from BMR), and if you take the A10, you can actually do pretty well at a legit road course and not just a drag strip as some members on this forum seem to believe (I know you're not saying this, but some people even in this thread are adamant that that is the primary goal of an A10). Now I don't know how much he sank into his build, but besides aero, I would say it might sum up to around the cost of buying a boosted setup just to get cooling and suspension dialed in. To be honest, I'm actually not sure of the true suspension differences if I went for either KW clubsports vs. Ohlins vs. MCS (1 way, 2way, 3way etc.) vs Magneride. However, I really think in terms of bang for buck if you buy an MCS set up (~3-4k) you're going to do pretty close to if not better than magneride for the track, especially with a remote reservoir. I haven't found many people using MCS on mustangs or providing feedback on it on youtube, but in this video the guy set up his pretty cool BMW 1-series track build with MCS dampers and it seems like it runs some solid times too (at 17:18).

Great post. One thing that I think you are implying is that track times are important. My opinion is that enjoyment is the most important thing. I don't think you need to be fast or hit a certain time to have fun on track. Or I should say it this way - I definitely don't need to be in the fastest car or hit a certain time in order to have fun. I never time myself. Maybe it's because I'm too much of a rookie, but lap times just don't mean anything to me.

For me yes I do need a certain level of performance, but the things I like are higher revving naturally aspirated engines, and equipment that can hold up to track use without overheating. My Z06 had a great suspension and chassis, but the engine just didn't rev out well (one example). Plus it got hot too quickly. For me that is the worst thing and it kills my enjoyment of a track day.

 

[Flyhalf]

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