Gt vs 350

[foxcoupefan]

Again, it comes down to all the chicken littles on this forum and youtube as my father likes to put it. Every car has it's issues. Coyote with the rattle and tick, Voodoo with oil consumption and full on failures. There are literally 80 pages on the "Replaced Voodoo Engine" thread, yet the 350 was the number one resale sports car per KBB; tells you what forums know. haha.

It's difficult to really compare the two cars as much of the time they are completely different buyers and cost is significant between the two at 20k or more. I guarantee there is a bigger percentage of hopped up GTs than GT350s per the amount sold and that tells you a little bit about the buyer. A lot of people can qualify for a GT, but can't buy a 350. However, as I have seen on here, people will give up a lot to own a GT350 or a blinged out GT. I have seen some of the garages, homes/apts these cars are sitting in front of/in and it makes me cringe. But this is America and we still sort of have the freedom to choose where we put our money.

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[Lorne34]

Yes, thanks Jake I am aware. Lucky for 99% of people that will track their car PP1 or 2, a fluid change and some pads will usually be more than adequate except on maybe a handful of brake heavy tracks. The PP brake set up is truly amazing. Many guys I know never even change out lines and still don't run out of brakes during a hard session. Some cooling is always a plus.

If the wife would have allowed I would have searched out an FP350S but she wasn't having 120k for a Mustang. She was ok with me buying a 350 or PP2 and tearing in to the interior, putting a roll cage etc. I even told her the FP was already to go and I wouldn't have to dump any money in to it like I would the others. It didn't work.

Did you happen to see the article where the PP2 was tested on the track and went into limp mode? They asked the FP guys about this and they admitted that the decision was made NOT to add the coolers because they "did not want that level of complexity" I was shocked... I figured that the PP and PP2 cars were trackable as is; although enhancements could be made to handle longer sessions... That was a bummer for me as I was considering the PP2 at one point...
Here is the article...
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/th...g-gt-pp2-overheats-in-3-laps-on-track.110246/

 

[foxcoupefan]

Did you happen to see the article where the PP2 was tested on the track and went into limp mode? They asked the FP guys about this and they admitted that the decision was made NOT to add the coolers because they "did not want that level of complexity" I was shocked... I figured that the PP and PP2 cars were trackable as is; although enhancements could be made to handle longer sessions... That was a bummer for me as I was considering the PP2 at one point...
Here is the article...
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/th...g-gt-pp2-overheats-in-3-laps-on-track.110246/

Yeah, not a big deal to me as it's an easy fix.I have lot's of buddies tracking their PP1 and PP2 cars with no coolers; just wrap and diff fluid change and no issues. Or you can jump it up with the FTB rear diff cooler system which is even better than the factory GT350 set up. The factory coolers on the GT350 are good, but doing aftermarket stuff is even better.

Ford should have added the diff cooler to the PP2 car. Besides that, it's a capable track car. I will be adding the FTB set up later this year prior to some track days.

 

[nastang87xx]

There are literally 80 pages on the "Replaced Voodoo Engine" thread, yet the 350 was the number one resale sports car per KBB; tells you what forums know.

Which is not 80 pages of failures but more 80 pages of us trying to figure out issues that really aren't widespread. It's a discussion compilation, not a reporting tool.

 

[foxcoupefan]

Which is not 80 pages of failures but more 80 pages of us trying to figure out issues that really aren't widespread. It's a discussion compilation, not a reporting tool.

hahaha, Forums being "not a reporting tool" is right. I think you missed my point that the engine failures are minimal and jumped the gun a little in your response. Partially my fault as I probably should have been more clear. Unfortunately many people take the forums as gospel. Meaning that when people go on a forum and see 80 pages about an engine replacement they automatically think it's a huge wide spread problem like the Coyote engine replacements due to rattles and ticks; hence my reference to "Chicken Littles". The public makes huge deals on the net about a small segment that is having an issue.

The 350 is a grand car. Again, all new cars have some sort of issues and the internet blows most of them way out of proportion. For the amount of 350s and GTs sold the actual lemons is very minimal.

See ya on the track!

 

[jake_zx2]

GT350= Buy it, drive it, enjoy it. Its special

GT=Buy it, mod it because your not satisfied, There are a billion of them. (Exaggeration of course)


Quit comparing them like they are competitors, they are not.

This is the Shelby owner attitude that I laugh my ass off about, and part of what deterred me from buying the car.

Being limited production does make it "special" in the right eyes, but it doesn't make it a better car. And they ARE competitors, as they're literally the same car with different powertrains.

Did you happen to see the article where the PP2 was tested on the track and went into limp mode? They asked the FP guys about this and they admitted that the decision was made NOT to add the coolers because they "did not want that level of complexity" I was shocked... I figured that the PP and PP2 cars were trackable as is; although enhancements could be made to handle longer sessions... That was a bummer for me as I was considering the PP2 at one point...
Here is the article...
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/th...g-gt-pp2-overheats-in-3-laps-on-track.110246/

The only weak point on the PP2 is the diff. FTBR sells a cooler kit for $1k, or you can get a GT350 diff and be good.

"did not want that level of complexity" to me seems like manufacturer jargon for "if we did, it would compete too much with our higher-profit GT350"

 

[nastang87xx]

"did not want that level of complexity" to me seems like manufacturer jargon for "if we did, it would compete too much with our higher-profit GT350"

All Mustang model profit is about the same. It's one of their business targets. An actual believable reason would be the bean counters and supplier cost, a cost in which they most likely didn't want to incur. Mustang profit is not great and Ford Performance and team Mustang are actually rather lucky they still exist. Seems like every year Ford Corporate wants to shrink them more and more and if not, they say push nonsense like EcoBoost everything ST models.

 

[marks]

Just wish Ford would make a RHD GT350 instead of sending us(the UK) the gimmicky Bullit, digital dashes and 10 speed autos

 

[fiveoboy01]

This is the Shelby owner attitude that I laugh my ass off about, and part of what deterred me from buying the car.

Being limited production does make it "special" in the right eyes, but it doesn't make it a better car. And they ARE competitors, as they're literally the same car with different powertrains.

It's not even limited production. Ford will build as many as demand dictates, and that's why there are new ones still sitting on lots.

The 93/95/2000 R models, the GT.. those are limited production. Not the 15-19 GT350/R.

 

[jake_zx2]

It's not even limited production. Ford will build as many as demand dictates, and that's why there are new ones still sitting on lots.

The 93/95/2000 R models, the GT.. those are limited production. Not the 15-19 GT350/R.

I suppose if you want to be technical, they "limit allocations". They only allow so many allocations for each dealership depending on how many regular Mustangs are sold

 

[milner_7]

Each car has a different main use. That's a fact. A GT is a much better street car, A GT350 can be a street car but will not be as comfortable. I don't have a "Shelby Owners Attitude" I have owned a GT and a GT500 and now a GT350. I love all Mustangs but prefer the Shelby brand (made by Ford). No need to be butt hurt, we all love our cars so don't label "Shelby Owners"

 

[Lorne34]

Each car has a different main use. That's a fact. A GT is a much better street car, A GT350 can be a street car but will not be as comfortable. I don't have a "Shelby Owners Attitude" I have owned a GT and a GT500 and now a GT350. I love all Mustangs but prefer the Shelby brand (made by Ford). No need to be butt hurt, we all love our cars so don't label "Shelby Owners"

Can you elaborate on what makes it a better street car? I also am a bit confused as to why a GT350 is not as comfortable as a GT. From my understanding with the magnaride and suspension mode adjustments it can be a very comfortable daily driver...

 

[Mikthehun1]

Can you elaborate on what makes it a better street car? I also am a bit confused as to why a GT350 is not as comfortable as a GT. From my understanding with the magnaride and suspension mode adjustments it can be a very comfortable daily driver...

It's probably more the suspension tuning even with magneride. Also the seats and other creature comforts available for the GT. The voodoo needs to be wrung out to get max potential. Your buttdyno will think that the gt350 is slower during normal driving.

 

[TomcatDriver]

Can you elaborate on what makes it a better street car? I also am a bit confused as to why a GT350 is not as comfortable as a GT. From my understanding with the magnaride and suspension mode adjustments it can be a very comfortable daily driver...

I would say that a GT350 has a little stiffer ride in "normal" than a GTPP with MagnaRide in "normal", and there is no setting softer than "normal". I don't have any data, just seat of the pants. Some of the stiffer ride probably due to 35 vice 40 tires on the PP, and the wider tires are going to exhibit more tramlineing. I haven't driven a PP2, but my guess is with the 305/30s all around that it's worse in that regard than a 350.

 

[jake_zx2]

I would say that a GT350 has a little stiffer ride in "normal" than a GTPP with MagnaRide in "normal", and there is no setting softer than "normal". I don't have any data, just seat of the pants. Some of the stiffer ride probably due to 35 vice 40 tires on the PP, and the wider tires are going to exhibit more tramlineing. I haven't driven a PP2, but my guess is with the 305/30s all around that it's worse in that regard than a 350.

Can confirm, PP2 is a good bit rougher than the GT350... stiffer spring rates, lower profile tires, and stickier tires leading to more tramlining contribute to that

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