GT PP2 (Brembo) Brake Question

[kart3l]

Hi guys,

My car 19 GT PP2 has 48k miles at the moment. Did 1 track HPDE event last year.

Dealer is saying that the pads are at the minimum length and suggest changing the whole thing - pads AND rotors. They say they cannot service the rotors because they are brembos and quoting me about $1400 for parts and labor.

I just wanted to change the pads. I didn't get a warm and fuzzy from my service advisor as he was quoting some AMG brakes and how mine are similar,etc.

What is the take? Change pads only? Or do the whole thing like the dealer had suggested?

Thank you very much. I did search and got various answers.

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[jon.smith76063]

You should be able to turn those rotors at 49K miles. Are you capable of doing the brakes yourself?

 

[Wildcardfox]

I always do my own brakes. Obviously, it's easier for people to access by posting a photo of your brakes and pads by taking off a wheel and showing us the condition of your front brakes. Off the bat, yes, sounds completely weird. I wouldn't change rotors unless they are cracked or warped and they are below the minimum for turning (which is grinding the rotor to remove any warpage). Still easier if you post a photo.

 

[kart3l]

You should be able to turn those rotors at 49K miles. Are you capable of doing the brakes yourself?

I always do my own brakes. Obviously, it's easier for people to access by posting a photo of your brakes and pads by taking off a wheel and showing us the condition of your front brakes. Off the bat, yes, sounds completely weird. I wouldn't change rotors unless they are cracked or warped and they are below the minimum for turning (which is grinding the rotor to remove any warpage). Still easier if you post a photo.

Thank you, gents.

Turn them, like flip them? Unfortunately I am very uncapable. Live in an apartment and also not too tech savvy.

I will be posting a photo of my rotors and brakes later when I get home.

Thank you again.

 

[Wildcardfox]

Thank you, gents.

Turn them, like flip them? Unfortunately I am very uncapable. Live in an apartment and also not too tech savvy.

I will be posting a photo of my rotors and brakes later when I get home.

Thank you again.

No—Brake turning is the process of putting the rotors on a lathe and they make them straight. You don't do it, a brake shop does.

 

[EFI]

What is the take? Change pads only? Or do the whole thing like the dealer had suggested?

The rotors have a minimum thickness stamped right on them, so measuring their thickness will determine whether or not they are worn or have useful life in them. If you're staying with stock pads, you can reuse the rotors if they have enough life in them. If you were swapping out to more aggressive track pads I would say you should match those up with new rotors.

$1400 is insane for a front pad/rotor swap. The parts are under $500 and labor is super simple with basic tools and mechanical skill.

 

[NeverSatisfied]

Hi guys,

My car 19 GT PP2 has 48k miles at the moment. Did 1 track HPDE event last year.

Dealer is saying that the pads are at the minimum length and suggest changing the whole thing - pads AND rotors. They say they cannot service the rotors because they are brembos and quoting me about $1400 for parts and labor.

I just wanted to change the pads. I didn't get a warm and fuzzy from my service advisor as he was quoting some AMG brakes and how mine are similar,etc.

What is the take? Change pads only? Or do the whole thing like the dealer had suggested?

Thank you very much. I did search and got various answers.

Sounds about right for dealer prices. These are not fancy two piece brake rotors--they're just solid steel vented blanks like those found on any economy car.

I find my rotors spider crack so bad by the time it's pad changing time, I don't even consider turning them. Aftermarket rotors are so reasonable, I replace rotors every time I replace pads.

I've burned through at least 6 sets of front brakes and pads in 13000 miles. I run the cheap Centric blanks from RockAuto-- $82 each for front + whatever GLOC pad compound ($200-250/set).

 

[NightmareMoon]

You know, I never had any luck finding a place to turn GT rotors. Maybe those places are out there. Rotors are only like $116 for the fronts (per side), so is it worth it to turn them? IDK.

You can always take the car to another place and get a second opinion on the rotors. Usually the rotors will easily last for more than one brake pad change. All you need to check the rotors is a caliper set to measure their thickness. If you have a good picture of the fronts, I bet we can eyeball the edge and spot if they have a developed lip and likely need changing.

If the rotors aren't too bad, having them turned or putting new ones on is nice, but its not completely manditory. If you don't have them resurfaced or buy new ones, it will take your new pads a little while to fully bed into the uneven surface on the old rotors.

MSRP for a rotor and pad set for the front only is like $725 (looking at Levittown's Ford's site). Rear would be a bit less, then add some labor... so that price isn't too awful, but its full price, no discount whatsoever. You can replace all of the pads and rotors for about half that price, if you could buy the parts and do the work yourself.

 

[kart3l]

Sounds about right for dealer prices. These are not fancy two piece brake rotors--they're just solid steel vented blanks like those found on any economy car.

I find my rotors spider crack so bad by the time it's pad changing time, I don't even consider turning them. Aftermarket rotors are so reasonable, I replace rotors every time I replace pads.

I've burned through at least 6 sets of front brakes and pads in 13000 miles. I run the cheap Centric blanks from RockAuto-- $82 each for front + whatever GLOC pad compound ($200-250/set).

Thank you!

So the details are that my front pads are at 3.5 and 4mm (other side.) And minimum is at 3.0.

Yep, $1400 for front rotors and pads only. I think I am going to do this myself.

I know how to lift the car up, as I do this every season to swap out my winter/summer wheel/tire set.

How difficult is this job? I would like to do this myself.

Change rotors and pads myself, and ideally brake fluid too? Any recommended videos or reading? I am also worried about the safety aspect, but obviously I will drive around at low speeds first and gradually work my way up.

 

[NeverSatisfied]

Thank you!

So the details are that my front pads are at 3.5 and 4mm (other side.) And minimum is at 3.0.

Yep, $1400 for front rotors and pads only. I think I am going to do this myself.

I know how to lift the car up, as I do this every season to swap out my winter/summer wheel/tire set.

How difficult is this job? I would like to do this myself.

Change rotors and pads myself, and ideally brake fluid too? Any recommended videos or reading? I am also worried about the safety aspect, but obviously I will drive around at low speeds first and gradually work my way up.

There's gotta be a youtube video on how to do it. The fronts are incredibly easy to do.

If you can get the wheels off, you're like 80% there. Get a caliper expander off amazon and do it yourself.

Get a Motive Speed Bleeder and bleed the brakes while you're at it with some decent fluid

This is pretty basic work, if you pay attention to what you're doing, it's pretty hard to mess it up.

 

[NightmareMoon]

Its really not very difficult. Some simple tools are required, but nothing exotic.

You need a basic 1/2" socket set to remove the 2 bolts which hold the calipers on the knuckle (calipers come off to get the rotors on. While the caliper is off use a few zip tires or a bungie cord to hold it up so its not hanging unsupported and tugging on the brake line.

The pads are designed to be easy to swap. You need something to punch out a couple pins (I use a punch and a plastic mallet), and there's one smallish bolt. Then you'll need something to push the pistons back to make room for the new full depth pads and rotor. I just use a couple medium sized C clamps on the old pads and caliper which seems to do the job pretty well without buying a specialized too. You can just reuse pins and clips.

 

[tosha]

Thank you!

So the details are that my front pads are at 3.5 and 4mm (other side.) And minimum is at 3.0.

Yep, $1400 for front rotors and pads only. I think I am going to do this myself.

I know how to lift the car up, as I do this every season to swap out my winter/summer wheel/tire set.

How difficult is this job? I would like to do this myself.

Change rotors and pads myself, and ideally brake fluid too? Any recommended videos or reading? I am also worried about the safety aspect, but obviously I will drive around at low speeds first and gradually work my way up.

These Brembo brake pads are the easiest ones to change compared to any other car that I've done in my not so massive experience. There is a couple great videos on youtube, you'll find them easily. As far as expanding the pistons, I use combination of snap ring pliers and a pry tool against old pads to spread them. Works like a charm every time. https://www.amazon.com/VISE-GRIP-Co...qid=1670261834&sprefix=irwin+,aps,265&sr=8-25

Given the low cost of new rotors, I would suggest to change them while you have everything taken apart. Just for the sake of doing it all at once. And please don't pay 1.5k to the stealership . As @NeverSatisfied mentioned, hardest part is to take the wheels off. If you plan to do more HPDE's, you should really build up brakes servicing skill anyways, otherwise it will burn all of your budget. It will help you a lot in life as well. shops charge crazy money for it because it's unavoidable and very easy to sell.

 

[cficare68]

Yeah thats ridiculous cost wise. If the rotor is below the discard spec then they would have to be replaced but im willing to bet they didnt even measure them. Comparing brakes on an AMG to PP2 is ridiculous. You're not dealing with carbon ceramic rotors. Take it somewhere else or like suggested do the work yourself.

 

[MiamiGT350]

It sounds odd for a dealership to say, "we can't service them b/c they are Brembo." Or are they simply saying they are after-market Brembo rotors and they don't sell them?

I would get in the habit of asking repair questions like, "As a percentage from brand-new, how much brake pad thickness (or rotors) are left." This will help you make decisions without being scared into thinking you're going to go barreling off a fiery cliff, lol. Try to completely avoid conversations like, "your brakes are in the red" or "your brakes are below minimums." Remember, they can always say that something 10% worn is "not ideal," "below minimum" or "in the red." As you get more familiar with the car, you can start having discussions with them in millimeters, etc.

 

[Cabrerag27]

Hi guys,

My car 19 GT PP2 has 48k miles at the moment. Did 1 track HPDE event last year.

Dealer is saying that the pads are at the minimum length and suggest changing the whole thing - pads AND rotors. They say they cannot service the rotors because they are brembos and quoting me about $1400 for parts and labor.

I just wanted to change the pads. I didn't get a warm and fuzzy from my service advisor as he was quoting some AMG brakes and how mine are similar,etc.

What is the take? Change pads only? Or do the whole thing like the dealer had suggested?

Thank you very much. I did search and got various answers.

Hey,
I work for ford as a service writer, and service my Mustang myself all the time I do not recommend turning the rotors. The reason they do not recommend turning them is because they are more likely to warp under harsh braking. Especially if you plan on doing HPDE events. If you want better bite get some hawk DTC 60 with some slotted rotors. You will have to relearn your braking points but not hard to do after a couple of laps. Just some fruit for thought. Reach out to me for any questions or concerns.

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