GT Challenger - AWD

[1320']

It might well top out with a TTV6. The 5.7 Hemi is supposed to end production in 2018, so that'll only leave the 6.4 and Hellcat.

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[matteos]

It might well top out with a TTV6. The 5.7 Hemi is supposed to end production in 2018, so that'll only leave the 6.4 and Hellcat.

I've always seen the 5.7 Hemi as a rather worthless engine considering its size.

How did they manage to get so little power out of it?

 

[1320']

I've always seen the 5.7 Hemi as a rather worthless engine considering its size.

How did they manage to get so little power out of it?

It's a truck engine, for one. It cranks out over 400 ftlbs of torque, while still maintaining 370ish HP in the cars, and 390 HP in trucks (different intake manifold). It's really just an intake and tune away from 400HP and 420+TQ.

It's a perfectly stout motor, considering that deep down it was designed in 2001/2002.

The advantage to the 5.7 is that it is cheap, gets reasonably good fuel economy in cars, is very very durable and is fairly light in terms of upkeep. Stock for stock it was fairly close to the 6.2L L99 in the 5th Gen Camaro, but because for some reason Chrysler stuck with speed density vs mass air for tuning..it didn't respond as well.

 

[z460]

Yah totally. AWD is a nice option to have..especially on cars like this...maybe it's a sign of the way the industry will go.

The Fusion 2.7 sport is AWD...can we think about a Mustang in the future S650 with AWD...especially a mid range model like the 2.3/2.7 down the road? I mean if you can get a Mustang that can handle with AWD that would be pretty sweet and it would be a year round vehicle.

Mustang doesn't need to be AWD to beat any car at the strip or circuit it would be more unnecessary weaight too

 

[68fbjjz109]

From Autoblog.com:

....The entire Challenger lineup will be redesigned in 2018, which includes switching over to the lighter Giorgio platform - the same one that underpins the Alfa Romeo Guilia.

The new Chally will be "American-Italian Muscle". At least the Mustang and Camaro are still fully 'Merican!

Not in anyway happening for 2018.

I know there is still the consideration to build a car from the ground up to replace L car.

The Pacifica is showing the advantages of not using a hamstrung Benz or FIAT architecture.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

The GTR is a perfect example of AWD done right. I wouldn't be apposed to that kind of performance.

 

[JohnZiraldo]

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Serious question:

If an AWD, 375hp EB3.5 was made available for volume, would it be worth it?

Look at it from every angle though, as an enthusiast, financially and marketing, current trends. I think it might be time for an AWD V6 Mustang once the base V6 is dropped. I'd like to hear how that might affect the MSRP on existing models.

It certainly makes sense for Ford to explore this option for the Mustang, especially if emissions regulations become tougher for the V8s. They have an opportunity to test it's appeal with the Fusion Sport AWD with the 2.7 EB. If that car sells well and starts showing up in competitions against the Mustang EB, it could signal a Go.

I have a friend who owns a Mustang performance business. He drives a 700+HP 2015 GT and a new Fusion Sport AWD. He raves about the fun of the Fusion Sport and he hasn't touched the motor yet.

Calling a Mustang a 2-door Fusion may become more of a compliment than a put down.

 

[Hack]

I'm all for the muscle cars getting smaller. It's the best way to get weight down and get performance up.

As long as they don't get rid of V8s and keep the interior front seats large enough for regular humans. I don't need back seat or trunk room. The current trunk in my car is ginormous. What a waste!

Also agree that the 5.7 is a boat anchor. I was looking at a Challenger as an option and coming from my 5.0 GT and getting into the 5.7 Challenger - I swear the 5.7 Challenger is roughly equivalent to a 6 cylinder Mustang. It's just sad how slow that car is.

 

[MRGTX]

I've always seen the 5.7 Hemi as a rather worthless engine considering its size.

How did they manage to get so little power out of it?

The 5.7L is actually a really nice engine. It sounds great has very accessible power curve, and it's proving to be pretty damn reliable too. No it's not the hottest hotrod engine on the planet...but that's what the 392 and Hellcat are for, I guess.

You may have a good point in terms of the displacement vs. power but the engine itself is much more compact than the Coyote...and doesn't really weigh much more either which is impressive when you consider the cast iron block.

The hp numbers don't look great but it makes as much torque as the Coyote. Considering that it's .5L down from the pushrod Camaro engines...it's on par with the LS3 at least.

I wouldn't buy a heavy Challenger with that motor but I wouldn't call it a boat anchor by any means.

 

[matteos]

I'm all for the muscle cars getting smaller. It's the best way to get weight down and get performance up.

As long as they don't get rid of V8s and keep the interior front seats large enough for regular humans. I don't need back seat or trunk room. The current trunk in my car is ginormous. What a waste!

Also agree that the 5.7 is a boat anchor. I was looking at a Challenger as an option and coming from my 5.0 GT and getting into the 5.7 Challenger - I swear the 5.7 Challenger is roughly equivalent to a 6 cylinder Mustang. It's just sad how slow that car is.

Yeah.. I think Dodge would do better by slapping on 2 more cylinders to the Pentastar.

 

[1320']

Yeah.. I think Dodge would do better by slapping on 2 more cylinders to the Pentastar.

I think they were going to do that on a new 4.7L V8 for 1500 Rams..but don't quote me on that.

 

[matteos]

The 5.7L is actually a really nice engine. It sounds great has very accessible power curve, and it's proving to be pretty damn reliable too. No it's not the hottest hotrod engine on the planet...but that's what the 392 and Hellcat are for, I guess.

You may have a good point in terms of the displacement vs. power but the engine itself is much more compact than the Coyote...and doesn't really weigh much more either which is impressive when you consider the cast iron block.

The hp numbers don't look great but it makes as much torque as the Coyote. Considering that it's .5L down from the pushrod Camaro engines...it's on par with the LS3 at least.

I wouldn't buy a heavy Challenger with that motor but I wouldn't call it a boat anchor by any means.

I might be very wrong about this, but isn't the Coyote pretty similar to the Cyclone with 2 more cylinders?

They should retire the 5.7... and beef up the Pentastar. Maybe focus on improving the larger hemi for the more hardcore models.

Problem with the Challenger is the thing weighs as much as an SUV.. And it has a truck engine... Kind of is a truck/SUV really.

I can't wait for the Alfa refresh. Once the Challenger is an actual muscle car (Hellcats not included) rather than a shrunk down SUV I might very well trade the Mustang for one.. They're still the best looking car out of all 3.

 

[Hack]

The 5.7L is actually a really nice engine. It sounds great has very accessible power curve, and it's proving to be pretty damn reliable too. No it's not the hottest hotrod engine on the planet...but that's what the 392 and Hellcat are for, I guess.

You may have a good point in terms of the displacement vs. power but the engine itself is much more compact than the Coyote...and doesn't really weigh much more either which is impressive when you consider the cast iron block.

The hp numbers don't look great but it makes as much torque as the Coyote. Considering that it's .5L down from the pushrod Camaro engines...it's on par with the LS3 at least.

I wouldn't buy a heavy Challenger with that motor but I wouldn't call it a boat anchor by any means.

When I read this post I get the impression you've never driven a 5.7 Challenger. Maybe you read a few stats and then decided on what to post. Do yourself a favor and test drive one. See what you think and then check back here.

I like to regularly go around and test drive cars. It's fun and it lets you know what the various manufacturer's offerings can do. There's a lot more to a car than the numbers in a magazine or online. Test drives are free.

 

[EcoVert]

When I read this post I get the impression you've never driven a 5.7 Challenger. Maybe you read a few stats and then decided on what to post. Do yourself a favor and test drive one. See what you think and then check back here.

I like to regularly go around and test drive cars. It's fun and it lets you know what the various manufacturer's offerings can do. There's a lot more to a car than the numbers in a magazine or online. Test drives are free.

Ah those magazine racers again

 

[Bubbachunks]

About time someone figured out an AWD pony car.

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