FRPP Handling Package installed and impressions

[Budnr22]

In the installation instructions for the M-FR3A-M8 kit, FRPP calls for throwing away A LOT of torque to yield fasteners and replacing them with new ones. I called Ford Racing to ask for a complete parts list of all the non-usable hardware. They don't have any such list, but said "that would be a great idea". NO S**T!!! :doh: It seems this activity is left to the reader to figure out.

Has anyone done this yet? It would be great to have a list with part numbers and the corresponding part names. :clap2:

When I was prepping to install my steeda gear, I noticed he same thing. Probably not nearly as many, but certainly some of the same. I asked and asked if I need to replace them. I finally went and talked with Ford try and they do not. Not saying they are ground truth, but another data point. I decided not to do so. I am doubtful any shop would. Perhaps there are some out there that would.

I agree with you 100% about the kit. I would have bough one if it existed.

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[TorkN8R]

When I was prepping to install my steeda gear, I noticed he same thing. Probably not nearly as many, but certainly some of the same. I asked and asked if I need to replace them. I finally went and talked with Ford try and they do not. Not saying they are ground truth, but another data point. I decided not to do so. I am doubtful any shop would. Perhaps there are some out there that would.

I agree with you 100% about the kit. I would have bough one if it existed.

It does exist! CJ Pony has done it for us. $50.00. Includes the front and rear nuts and bolts. Check it out.

My understang is that the science behind it says that there are metallurgy stresses on the bolt threads that cant be seen with the naked eye, that weaken the it. Its been said that for important connections, you only get so many jubilie twists (Torque) on a nut and bolt before you risk failure. I get that.

What I dont understand is why this doesn't apply to wheel studs and lugnuts. I mean how can it not. It's basically the same connection as the front strut tower with the splines on the end of the bolt.

Anyway for $50.00 bucks I guess it's cheap insurance. I'll say this though...it sure makes me wounder about taking the wheels on and off with the wheel spacers everyones been talking about.

 

[GrabberBlue5.0]

My understang is that the science behind it says that there are metallurgy stresses on the bolt threads that cant be seen with the naked eye, that weaken the it. Its been said that for important connections, you only get so many jubilie twists (Torque) on a nut and bolt before you risk failure. I get that.



What I dont understand is why this doesn't apply to wheel studs and lugnuts. I mean how can it not. It's basically the same connection as the front strut tower with the splines on the end of the bolt.

Due to the material properties of the nuts and bolts used. You seem intelligent so I don't think I need to tell you this... But not all metals are created equally, even metals that may be very similar can have vastly different properties.


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[Budnr22]

It does exist! CJ Pony has done it for us. $50.00. Includes the front and rear nuts and bolts. Check it out.

My understang is that the science behind it says that there are metallurgy stresses on the bolt threads that cant be seen with the naked eye, that weaken the it. Its been said that for important connections, you only get so many jubilie twists (Torque) on a nut and bolt before you risk failure. I get that.

What I dont understand is why this doesn't apply to wheel studs and lugnuts. I mean how can it not. It's basically the same connection as the front strut tower with the splines on the end of the bolt.

Anyway for $50.00 bucks I guess it's cheap insurance. I'll say this though...it sure makes me wounder about taking the wheels on and off with the wheel spacers everyones been talking about.

Thanks. I actually bought that list after the install was complete. Duh me.

 

[swami]

Just as a heads up guys ... back when I bought my 08 GT, I was also looking at Ford Racing suspension kits to mimic the Shelby GT. Come to find out, the suspension stuff made for the Shelby GT, for Ford, was manufactured by Eibach. So to save money, I purchased an Eibach Pro System Plus, which was the exact duplicate of the FRPP Kits without the pretty Ford blue paint ... and saved about $100 if I remember.

I presently don't see Eibach marketing a Pro System Plus for the 15-16's, but if I do, I'll be sure to post it.

I have the eibach pro system plus on my '94 GT vert and love it. I put the frpp bullitt suspension kit on my '99 GT and it rode and handled better than stock. I don't think it was a eibach clone. HTH

 

[MagneticGT]

The problem with the CJ's fastener kit(s) is that they are WAY overpriced and WAY incomplete. You can get those same pieces from your dealer's parts counter for a lot less and the completeness of what they are offering doesn't begin to meet what the installation instructions call for.

It does exist! CJ Pony has done it for us. $50.00. Includes the front and rear nuts and bolts. Check it out.

My understang is that the science behind it says that there are metallurgy stresses on the bolt threads that cant be seen with the naked eye, that weaken the it. Its been said that for important connections, you only get so many jubilie twists (Torque) on a nut and bolt before you risk failure. I get that.

What I dont understand is why this doesn't apply to wheel studs and lugnuts. I mean how can it not. It's basically the same connection as the front strut tower with the splines on the end of the bolt.

Anyway for $50.00 bucks I guess it's cheap insurance. I'll say this though...it sure makes me wounder about taking the wheels on and off with the wheel spacers everyones been talking about.

 

[Budnr22]

The problem with the CJ's fastener kit(s) is that they are WAY overpriced and WAY incomplete. You can get those same pieces from your dealer's parts counter for a lot less and the completeness of what they are offering doesn't begin to meet what the installation instructions call for.

Good point. The kit had just a few of the throwaway hardware.

 

[Mike A.]

Look at this post on the 2nd page of the thread, is this not the list of parts you guys are talking about?

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showpost.php?p=664109&postcount=26

 

[valentinoamoro]

That was my exact thoughts. I was thinking about going down to the standard setting in the rear (only two holes, and I am on the stiffer one now). But what makes me think its a throttle over application issue, is that 3rd gear seems to hold the line well and not drift out into oversteer. I want to verify that with more turn time. But we are thinking the same thing. Always being leary of the back end coming around on you, will produce slower times. The car definitely has some oversteer issues in 2nd gear, but some of it might be me, and my tendency to think I'm driving the General Lee.

Any update on the oversteer situation?

 

[Toothless]

It is right on the fine line of oversteer. It only steps out real bad in 2nd gear. 3rd gear and up it just carves. It is slightly beyond neutral with a slight tendency to oversteer. Most people would probably prefer the lighter setting in the rear, to make it more neutral. At least in my opinion, that's how it feels with my setup of suspension, bracing, and wheel/tire size. I might change it back in the rear just to verify my thoughts. One day.

Brian

 

[eddie2x]

Toothless, thank you very much for this great post/write up. Would you please verify the drop now that the suspension has had more time to settle? I'm curious if the back dropped more by now (especially with Ford's spec of 1"). Thanks

 

[Old 5 Oh]

I have the eibach pro system plus on my '94 GT vert and love it. I put the frpp bullitt suspension kit on my '99 GT and it rode and handled better than stock. I don't think it was a eibach clone. HTH

I have the Bullitt kit on my 94 GT, and it's not Eibach at all. Handles great, no complaints there, but we were a little disappointed in the ride height. It lowered the car less than 0.5", so still has that 4WD look. I would like it better at least another 0.5" lower.

 

[TrackpackGT]

The shocks in the previous FRPP kit were made by Tokico if I'm not mistaken.

 

[valentinoamoro]

The shocks in the previous FRPP kit were made by Tokico if I'm not mistaken.

Thats what I heard as well. The last FRPP track pack for the S197 was Tokico Illumina shocks at least. Springs might have been Eibachs. The reviews for the S197 version were middling, looks like this one is a lot better as from what I've seen Toothless seems to be a connoisseur of handling (and has owned a 1LE).

I have the Bullitt kit on my 94 GT, and it's not Eibach at all. Handles great, no complaints there, but we were a little disappointed in the ride height. It lowered the car less than 0.5", so still has that 4WD look. I would like it better at least another 0.5" lower.

THANK GOD. Finally, a set that DOES NOT lower the car too much, those days are behind me. I might have to go for these springs and pair it with Koni yellows. All the other sets drop <1 inch, which will just not work for me. My car does not have the SUV look anyway as I think the PP sits lower than the regular GT.

 

[TrackpackGT]

On a sidenote Toothless, I forgot to ask why you got rid of the 1LE. Maybe you already said why, just thought I'd ask.

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