Formula 1 talk.

[sk47]

Yes and no. Or rather no and yes. The weight that must be met is after all fuel is removed. Screw up: yes. Due to low fuel: no.

Think Toto and Lewis are wondering if maybe they made too big a deal about Masi in Abu Dhabi?

Hello; Thanks for the clarification. I did a quick search and low fuel appeared to be stated reason. Your post makes more sense.
I have heard there must be some amount of fuel left at the end. My guess is so the fuel can be tested. Years ago teams had created some exotic fuels. I think Ferrari had a mix that eventually triggered such a rule.

I am not quite clear as to why his tires would not pick up "clag" (David Hobbs) from the track but guess it does not matter.
I wonder how much the wooden plank placed under the car weighs?

Yes, to the Masi notion. Raise too much of a stink on a small technicality and get a rule set in stone. These cars lose bits and pieces of body work during a race which must take away weight.

Sad to say a thought crossed my mind when I read of the disqualification. Wondered if somehow Lewis knew and hung back. Afraid the years of his antics have jaded my opinion of his character. Logically I cannot think of how such might work so is just a wild thought.

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[HoosierDaddy]

I am not quite clear as to why his tires would not pick up "clag" (David Hobbs) from the track but guess it does not matter.

At Spa, there is no cool down lap due to length of circuit, so less chance to pick it up. But all teams know this and teams factor in tire weight loss to ensure car weight is still legal. Mercedes went on and on about how they didn't have enough data on tire tire weight loss because of weather during testing and last minute set up changes, etc.. Even put part blame on Russel for wanting to improvise a one stop. Amateur move to okay a one-stop when they knew they did not have enough info to confirm weight would be okay. This is Formula 1, not local kart track.

 

[sk47]

At Spa, there is no cool down lap due to length of circuit, so less chance to pick it up. But all teams know this and teams factor in tire weight loss to ensure car weight is still legal. Mercedes went on and on about how they didn't have enough data on tire tire weight loss because of weather during testing and last minute set up changes, etc.. Even put part blame on Russel for wanting to improvise a one stop. Amateur move to okay a one-stop when they knew they did not have enough info to confirm weight would be okay. This is Formula 1, not local kart track.

Hello; Thanks again for the clarification. Makes sense to not have a cool down lap due to the length. Guess I have not watched the after race enough, so I do not know how the cars get to the winners circle. Would have thought some distance on the track would be driven and ought to be rubber around if they had considered the problem.
Brings up another thought. The cars are weighed with wheels and tires on them? I sometimes see a car pulled onto scales during weekend events. I imagine the teams can weigh the cars, tire/wheel, fuel, oil and everything else. To me, it is not like the wheel/tire sets are different from race to race. If memory serves there are four slick compounds and three are picked for a track. I also see teams trying for a one stop race from time to time. That worn tires will weigh less ought to be a known and being F1 known down to small degrees.

I revise my previously posted suspicion about Lewis. I now can see he was not necessarily underhanded, but maybe was clever enough to understand what was about to happen. Hats off to him if such is true.

Yes, this is not a kart track event. The drivers are the greatest and so on. A big surprise for me was they managed to get thru the first few turns without some crashes.
Thanks again.

 

[Skye]

Carlos Sainz will be with Williams next season.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/...ine-to-secure-sainz-and.LrlMBihQBd2C9z8pkO6nb

https://www.bbc.com/sport/articles/ck5gw7n0gplo

 

[Bikeman315]

Carlos Sainz will be with Williams next season.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/...ine-to-secure-sainz-and.LrlMBihQBd2C9z8pkO6nb

https://www.bbc.com/sport/articles/ck5gw7n0gplo

Williams has shown some promise recently. Alex and Carlos should make an excellent team. I’m happy for both of them.

 

[Yorkshire_OH]

Always have a soft spot for Williams, I hope for the best for them Alex and Carlos.

 

[Skye]

Was doing some other learning this morning when I noticed the link for a video showcasing the physical effects of Bernoulli's Principle. We know it as an aerodynamic effect, but Bernoulli did most of his studies with water. See ship (Ever Given), blown by high winds, then traveling too close to the coastline at speed, getting sucked in. And stuck.



The original point of the studies. Great music included.

 

[sk47]

Hello; Watch some older WWII navy movies. The oil fired boilers ran used up fuel so tankers had to refill them. The ships were refilled on the move but could not be too close to each other lest they be pulled into each other.
Same for a "bosuns chair" when a person need to transfer from one ship to another.

A small line was fired over to the other ship and used to rig heavier lines which supported the fuel lines, cargo or people being transferred so as to keep the ships at a safe distance.

Bernoulli's principal applies to fluids, air & water, in several ways. For air in term of aerodynamics. In the old days carburetors.

There is a series of old films which can be found on the internet. Demonstrations in Science (maybe physics) by Professor Julius Sumner Miller. Maybe 15 to 20 minutes long. I am pretty sure there is a good one on Bernoulli. They address many natural physical phenomena.

 

[sk47]

Hello; My how things have changed. Norris/Mclaren over 22 seconds ahead of RB. Pure pace and no doubts about it. First six places shared by McLaren, RB and Ferrari. MB are also rans. Looks like LH will be moving into a somewhat better ride next year if this differential holds.

Did not hear any of Max's radio today. Maybe such is good.

 

[Yorkshire_OH]

Hello; My how things have changed. Norris/Mclaren over 22 seconds ahead of RB. Pure pace and no doubts about it. First six places shared by McLaren, RB and Ferrari. MB are also rans. Looks like LH will be moving into a somewhat better ride next year if this differential holds.

Did not hear any of Max's radio today. Maybe such is good.

Seemed like the track suited Lando today, it seemed like Piastri suffered with dirty air behind other cars so it’s even more impressive Lando got past max when he did. Heck of a drive for Leclerc to keep third. And max did well again with a car not up to the job this weekend. Russell seems lethal off the line.

 

[barrelfishing]

Seemed like the track suited Lando today, it seemed like Piastri suffered with dirty air behind other cars so it’s even more impressive Lando got past max when he did. Heck of a drive for Leclerc to keep third. And max did well again with a car not up to the job this weekend. Russell seems lethal off the line.

The most telling of the true pace of the McLaren today was the fact that Lando set fastest lap on the LAST LAP on well worn tires.

 

[Skye]

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/articles/cwyjpy8jnpyo

A detailed read, with some team feedback on car characteristics and how suited to one track versus another.

 

[Yorkshire_OH]

Interesting Haas news
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/2969...etherlands-payment-to-uralkali-completed.html

 

[Vlad Soare]

Well, that's what happens when you get involved with Russians. When you enjoy their dirty money, disregarding that everything that comes or has ever come from that nation is poisoned one way or the other, you can't be too surprised when the poison takes effect.
What I don't get is why the Dutch authorities should get involved in a commercial dispute between an American and a Russian entity, simply because one of them just happened to be on Dutch territory for a few days. If I had a dispute with my gardener because I didn't pay him for mowing my lawn, and I went for a holiday in Austria, I'm sure the Austrians couldn't care less about my gardener's complaints. So what's the deal? What stake do the Dutch have in the matter?

 

[Inthehighdesert]

It all comes down to them sueing Haas in the ICC in Switzerland. As much as I‘m not a fan of Russia let’s not kid ourselves about how in so many cases the sponsors in racing can be less then upstanding. Haas wanted out of the deal mainly because the son was destroying more equipment then the sponsorship was potentially worth. Driving ability was subpar and that’s sugar coating it a bit. I have no doubt Haas thought they’d get away with it with what was going on in Ukraine. It was a gamble on their part. Haas should have all of that under another entity much like a trust.

Well, that's what happens when you get involved with Russians. When you enjoy their dirty money, disregarding that everything that comes or has ever come from that nation is poisoned one way or the other, you can't be too surprised when the poison takes effect.
What I don't get is why the Dutch authorities should get involved in a commercial dispute between an American and a Russian entity, simply because one of them just happened to be on Dutch territory for a few days. If I had a dispute with my gardener because I didn't pay him for mowing my lawn, and I went for a holiday in Austria, I'm sure the Austrians couldn't care less about my gardener's complaints. So what's the deal? What stake do the Dutch have in the matter?

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