sk47
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Hello; Some good points made in the last few posts and one spin. First the passing nod to F1 being green with the power units and battery packs is just that. The greater measure of horse power comes from the fossil fuel engine. Overall even the electric energy recovered is harvested from energy produced by the fossil fuel engines. I guess the portion of energy harvested during braking is energy which would otherwise be shed as friction heat from the brakes. Not clear to me how the extra weight and complexity of the battery-electric system yields a savings of fossil fuel to begin with. I do get the There is likely a term for such a pointless endeavor as the hybrid power packs in the ultimate race car. Enough on that.
The pitstops to refuel can be worked out if refueling is determined to be the way to go. To me as long as each team is equally affected the length of time is not a factor. If each team has to equally take 30 seconds or 45 seconds or one minute, then there is no penalty attached. So, fuel rigs can be made safer. I think in some of the endurance races the pit stops have to be some set minimum length of time which is more than plenty to do safe fueling.
The fuel saving in other race forms generally takes place on the track and not in the pits. There are ways to use less fuel while racing. We can discuss them if needed. Basically, fuel saved during track running translates to shorter refueling times during the last fuel stop. Takes less time to pump less fuel into the vehicle.
F1 fuels were at one time a witches brew of exotics. The race directors eventually put a stop to the exotic mixes and set a standard fuel. I think this is why a quart or so of fuel is needed to be left after qualifying and race end, so it can be tested. Ferrari had some very strong and expensive race fuels back in the day. Side note- Not that long ago Ferrari apparently was burning engine oil for extra power during races. The exhaust smoke gave them away I think.
Best i understand from reading decades ago the early F1 races were set at two hour limits and such has stuck. They also did not change tires in the early days. The tire bit has been changed as has most everything else. I have no issue with a two hour time limit, but if a change will result in finishing a race under green, then such is fine.
Drivers in endurance races or NASCAR races go much longer than two hours every year. Does not seem the F1 drivers are so puny as to need a two hour limit.
The pitstops to refuel can be worked out if refueling is determined to be the way to go. To me as long as each team is equally affected the length of time is not a factor. If each team has to equally take 30 seconds or 45 seconds or one minute, then there is no penalty attached. So, fuel rigs can be made safer. I think in some of the endurance races the pit stops have to be some set minimum length of time which is more than plenty to do safe fueling.
The fuel saving in other race forms generally takes place on the track and not in the pits. There are ways to use less fuel while racing. We can discuss them if needed. Basically, fuel saved during track running translates to shorter refueling times during the last fuel stop. Takes less time to pump less fuel into the vehicle.
F1 fuels were at one time a witches brew of exotics. The race directors eventually put a stop to the exotic mixes and set a standard fuel. I think this is why a quart or so of fuel is needed to be left after qualifying and race end, so it can be tested. Ferrari had some very strong and expensive race fuels back in the day. Side note- Not that long ago Ferrari apparently was burning engine oil for extra power during races. The exhaust smoke gave them away I think.
Best i understand from reading decades ago the early F1 races were set at two hour limits and such has stuck. They also did not change tires in the early days. The tire bit has been changed as has most everything else. I have no issue with a two hour time limit, but if a change will result in finishing a race under green, then such is fine.
Drivers in endurance races or NASCAR races go much longer than two hours every year. Does not seem the F1 drivers are so puny as to need a two hour limit.
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Also did you see that Alonso’s penalty from Sunday was reversed?
