You're definitely right about the 18+ A10, a stock one can take a manual Hellcat if the driver isn't on top of things. But you're definitely wrong about the Coyote-powered S197s being faster than the manual 15-17s, they're slightly slower. My standard is C&D since they use standardized techniques and condition-corrected values, and they got the 0-60, et and trap speeds all equal or superior with the 15-17. Here they are:It isnt just in your head. The 15-17 S550s are slower in 1/4 mile performance than the S197 counterparts. 18+ with manuals are a bit quicker and the 18+ A10s are a lot quicker than the S197s. I had a 15 PP M6 car and I immediately regretted it coming from a 13 track pack.
https://www.torquenews.com/106/2015-ford-mustang-gt-slower-2014-models/ampYou're definitely right about the 18+ A10, a stock one can take a manual Hellcat if the driver isn't on top of things. But you're definitely wrong about the Coyote-powered S197s being faster than the manual 15-17s, they're slightly slower. My standard is C&D since they use standardized techniques and condition-corrected values, and they got the 0-60, et and trap speeds all equal or superior with the 15-17. Here they are:
2011 manual: 4.6, 13.2 at 109
2013 manual: 4.5, 13.0 at 111
2015 manual: 4.5, 13.0 at 113
2016 manual: 4.3, 12.9 at 113
2016 manual: 4.4, 13.0 at 112
2018 manual: 4.3, 12.6 at 115
But I know what the op and others mean about the S550s feeling less fast than they are. I think the driver feels upturns in the torque curve as "power"...which is why, for example, the stock evo I rented once felt insanely fast. = LOW power, then a big surge in power as the big laggy turbo kicks in, feels awesome. Coyotes, all of them, are way way faster by all measurements but a flat torque curve hides it.
faster than your A10 too!
Well, that's fair of you to point out...the article you pointed out referenced Motor Trend, also a good source.. It's interesting to look at the trap speeds from the MT articles:
You're my 2017 brother but I have to disagree with you there. The A10 is a monster.faster than your A10 too!
Haha I can make shit up too.. just like torquenews!You're my 2017 brother but I have to disagree with you there. The A10 is a monster.
I’ve only driven a PP3, the one you definitely have to wring out the rpms on. It was fast but with a smooth torque curve, which it doesn’t sound like you’re looking for. The fppp2 people seem to like their cars a lot, I’m sure it’s more in line with what you’re looking for esp with a nice torque boost. There’s a multiple-hundred page thread over on the 5.0 bolt-ons forum, and I see someone posted about a power pack 2 just yesterday on a new thread. I suggest you start a new one over there and you’ll find people with firsthand knowledge. The cal will definitely improve throttle response. If you have a base model with a 3.31 rear end (manual?) you might also consider a shorter pumpkin, like a 3.73 or higher, that can make a big difference in the “feel” off the line and in the midrange.My 2014 car stared out life as a very early 2014 MY production date and was registered as a Ford Motor Company car in Michigan. The nav system had some interesting locations saved. maybe it had one of those mythical strong motors in it. It was a tremendously exhilarating ride, and this 2017 is just not the same........yet???
I do feel the improved handling and chassis refinement. Is the Ford Performance Power Pack 2 gonna make me not regret the purchase of this 2017? I really don't want a supercharger or turbo, don't want the supporting mods. And not wanting to have to wring out the rpm's to feel a rush.
The power pack 2 will definitely make it feel more visceral.My 2014 car stared out life as a very early 2014 MY production date and was registered as a Ford Motor Company car in Michigan. The nav system had some interesting locations saved. maybe it had one of those mythical strong motors in it. It was a tremendously exhilarating ride, and this 2017 is just not the same........yet???
I do feel the improved handling and chassis refinement. Is the Ford Performance Power Pack 2 gonna make me not regret the purchase of this 2017? I really don't want a supercharger or turbo, don't want the supporting mods. And not wanting to have to wring out the rpm's to feel a rush.