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[Zooks527]

Here is the response from Ford ESP: " If any modifications cause an issue that is covered by the warranty, then that part would be voided from being covered by the warranty. " so that does make me pause and think. I just do not see how they could blame something on this FP mod that has been in place 5 years with no issue. My worry is how would I go about proving otherwise if this were to happen?

It's the tune that's going to be the issue ("Sure, it's been there for 5 years, but it's the cumulative damage caused by it that's the cause of the problem"). Any rotating/pressure element within the engine will be excluded ("It was tuned to put out more power than as designed and the bearings/rods/pistons/rings/seals were not designed for that"). Fair chance any transmission element will be excluded ("The transmission is not designed to handle power delivered in a mode in excess of the factory design"). Ancillaries will be covered (electronics, radiator, oil pump, A/C, etc.), but the big ticket items would be a battle that you would likely lose, net of spending more than the repair cost on a lawyer to fight the issue.

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[Jccams]

It's the tune that's going to be the issue ("Sure, it's been there for 5 years, but it's the cumulative damage caused by it that's the issue")). Any rotating element within the engine will be excluded ("It was tuned to put out more power than as designed"). Fair chance any transmission element will be excluded ("The transmission is not designed to handle power delivered in a mode in excess of the factory design"). Ancillaries will be covered (electronics, radiator, oil pump, A/C, etc.), but the big ticket items would be a battle that you would likely lose, net of spending more than the repair cost on a lawyer to fight the issue.

Funny thing is , this tune adds maybe 10-15HP, pretty sure there is a larger safety factor than that built in. As you point out though being able to prove it was not the FP mod is the hard part.

 

[Zooks527]

Funny thing is , this tune adds maybe 10-15HP, pretty sure there is a larger safety factor than that built in. As you point out though being able to prove it was not the FP mod is the hard part.

Oh, no question the engine and drivetrain can handle the power increase, but as you're buying an insurance policy, you're at the mercy of the adjustor, who probably is trained to make sure he doesn't give away a penny more than he can be forced to.

I have heard stories (possibly apocryphal) that claims for engine problems have been denied because of an oil catch can.

 

[Mach 307]

@Jccams Its one of the Ford power packs, correct? That’s what I’m gathering from your posts. If so then you’re ALL good. Don’t listen to anybody else, this is straight from the horses mouth.

“Performance Packs and Components are warranted for factory-supplied material or workmanship when correctly
and completely installed on a late model Ford vehicle by an authorized Ford or Lincoln Dealer, Shelby American,
Inc., or an automotive service technician certified by the Institute for Automotive Service Excellence (ASE) or
endorsed by the Red Seal Program (RSE). This Performance Packs and Components Limited Warranty begins
upon installation and registration of the part(s) with Ford Performance and remains in effect for the balance of 36
months or 36,000 miles / 60,000 kilometres, whichever occurs first, calculated from the start date of the
manufacturer's New Vehicle Limited Warranty.
Installation of these select Ford Performance warranted performance packs and components by an
authorized installer will NOT void your New Vehicle Limited Warranty. Engine, driveline and suspension
concerns not caused by the use of Ford Performance parts remain eligible for warranty coverage according to the
terms of the New Vehicle Limited Warranty.“

TLDR: Your intake is covered by the Ford Performance warranty and anything else in the power pack, but anything effected by your power pack is covered by your new car warranty, which would become your ESP.

 

[Jccams]

@Jccams Its one of the Ford power packs, correct? That’s what I’m gathering from your posts. If so then you’re ALL good. Don’t listen to anybody else, this is straight from the horses mouth.

“Performance Packs and Components are warranted for factory-supplied material or workmanship when correctly
and completely installed on a late model Ford vehicle by an authorized Ford or Lincoln Dealer, Shelby American,
Inc., or an automotive service technician certified by the Institute for Automotive Service Excellence (ASE) or
endorsed by the Red Seal Program (RSE). This Performance Packs and Components Limited Warranty begins
upon installation and registration of the part(s) with Ford Performance and remains in effect for the balance of 36
months or 36,000 miles / 60,000 kilometres, whichever occurs first, calculated from the start date of the
manufacturer's New Vehicle Limited Warranty.
Installation of these select Ford Performance warranted performance packs and components by an
authorized installer will NOT void your New Vehicle Limited Warranty. Engine, driveline and suspension
concerns not caused by the use of Ford Performance parts remain eligible for warranty coverage according to the
terms of the New Vehicle Limited Warranty.“

TLDR: Your intake is covered by the Ford Performance warranty and anything else in the power pack, but anything effected by your power pack is covered by your new car warranty, which would become your ESP.

Actually it is a FP CAI that was added. The 3/36 is long over for that warranty. I am concerned that they will use the CAI mod as a reason to deny.

 

[Mach 307]

Actually it is a FP CAI that was added. The 3/36 is long over for that warranty. I am concerned that they will use the CAI mod as a reason to deny.

If it’s a FP CAI then you’re all good, is the tune from FP as well? Or was it strictly a FP CAI added?

 

[Jccams]

If it’s a FP CAI then you’re all good, is the tune from FP as well? Or was it strictly a FP CAI added?

included the FP tune. All was done at a Ford dealership by the original owner. I do not have any of the paperwork as it was done years before I purchased the car.

 

[Mach 307]

included the FP tune. All was done at a Ford dealership by the original owner. I do not have any of the paperwork as it was done years before I purchased the car.

It will all be tracked in Oasis what is done to the car, any dealer can see it. You are 100% in the clear my friend.

 

[Mach 307]

@Jccams The only thing I can see you paying out of pocket for is cold air intake failure, since the Ford Performance warranty is up, which I’ve never even heard of. Though if you purchase the ESP and your motor or transmission goes, they will not blame the dealer installed Ford Performance kit and deny your engine, transmission, etc. replacement.

 

[Jccams]

@Jccams The only thing I can see you paying out of pocket for is cold air intake failure, since the Ford Performance warranty is up, which I’ve never even heard of. Though if you purchase the ESP and your motor or transmission goes, they will not blame the dealer installed Ford Performance kit and deny your engine, transmission, etc. replacement.

I would sure like to think you are correct. I have fought many warranty battles and don't usually end up winning.

 

[Mach 307]

I would sure like to think you are correct. I have fought many warranty battles and don't usually end up winning.

I would try calling someone like Granger Ford and maybe seeing what they have to say, they’ll have a better answer than Ford ESP themselves as ironic as that is. The representatives there don’t really know what they’re talking about unless you get the right one, for my Mach 1, since it’s a 2022, the 3year/36k expired this June. The lady when I called Ford ESP directly, said I’d only be able to get the 6year/75k “used car ESP”. That’s not actually the case, you can get a “new car ESP” up to 41 months I found from multiple sources including Granger. Here I am with a 10year/100k premium care new car ESP, purchased through Ford Protects website last month (August). I went with them because yes you pay slightly more, but for my length and miles I wanted the $0 deductible which Granger didn’t offer. I can see the dealer jerking you around in some way shape or form with a $100 deductible, etc. I don’t know, I’m just a worrier lol. Point is, just ask around I think you’ll be happy with the answer.

 

[Jccams]

I'll ask my question a different way. Has anyone been denied a claim with a Ford ESP due to a FP mod?

 

[Zooks527]

@Jccams Its one of the Ford power packs, correct? That’s what I’m gathering from your posts. If so then you’re ALL good. Don’t listen to anybody else, this is straight from the horses mouth.

“Performance Packs and Components are warranted for factory-supplied material or workmanship when correctly
and completely installed on a late model Ford vehicle by an authorized Ford or Lincoln Dealer, Shelby American,
Inc., or an automotive service technician certified by the Institute for Automotive Service Excellence (ASE) or
endorsed by the Red Seal Program (RSE). This Performance Packs and Components Limited Warranty begins
upon installation and registration of the part(s) with Ford Performance and remains in effect for the balance of 36
months or 36,000 miles / 60,000 kilometres, whichever occurs first, calculated from the start date of the
manufacturer's New Vehicle Limited Warranty.
Installation of these select Ford Performance warranted performance packs and components by an
authorized installer will NOT void your New Vehicle Limited Warranty. Engine, driveline and suspension
concerns not caused by the use of Ford Performance parts remain eligible for warranty coverage according to the
terms of the New Vehicle Limited Warranty.“

TLDR: Your intake is covered by the Ford Performance warranty and anything else in the power pack, but anything effected by your power pack is covered by your new car warranty, which would become your ESP.

Did you read what you posted? You posted the Ford Performance warranty, which says that they cover the balance of the 3/36 on a new car. That's because their parts void portions of the 3/36 (which is irrelevant as the OP has a 6 year old car). Ford Performance (now Ford Racing) is a separate company from Ford and from the company that provides Ford ESP.

It will all be tracked in Oasis what is done to the car, any dealer can see it. You are 100% in the clear my friend.

It will all be tracked in Oasis, so they won't even have to go looking for a reason to deny, they'll have it right in front of them.

 

[Mach 307]

Did you read what you posted? You posted the Ford Performance warranty, which says that they cover the balance of the 3/36 on a new car. That's because their parts void portions of the 3/36 (which is irrelevant as the OP has a 6 year old car). Ford Performance (now Ford Racing) is a separate company from Ford and from the company that provides Ford ESP.


It will all be tracked in Oasis, so they won't even have to go looking for a reason to deny, they'll have it right in front of them.

I think you need to read what it says closer, but I’m not here to help with that.

 

[Zooks527]

From my Ford ESP :

Seems pretty clear. The FP intake and tune aren't factory installed, so if it can be blamed, it will be.

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