For the MT owners: how do you downshift?

[Dspec_S550]

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[Horse]

and so are we. I personally don't think it's that easy. I'm also not paid to write articles.

A little bit of brakes in the PP and it bites hard. Look in that picture and you will notice the spacing isn't necessarily far apart, brakes are much higher than the gas pedal. If the brakes were a little lower then maybe it wouldn't be that bad for me. However, maybe I have bad form and I don't realize it. A video would prove to be useful in this regard. Lastly, I have to be in sport mode because normal mode has too much play in the gas pedal. However, no mention of that in the article...I believe the author said the gas responds with a touch of the gas...So he must have been in Sport mode or he is FOS. And if he has sport mode doesn't he have the PP (I cant remember) because he would complain about the brakes bite.

I cant imagine doing this on the street in daily driver mode. I can see getting rear ended quick with the PP's stopping power. I know practice is important to be smooth but damn the car is only 9 months old or less for many. Another reason why a video would be great because I strongly believe there are a lot of keyboard warriors that act like they are the sh!t on the streets. I've been driving for a long time and I listen to the engine noise of plenty of Mustang's ripping down the road and they are not racecar drivers. I use to take my bike to the track with friends and watch all these guys think they are the sh!t on the street until their first track day. Ego's get in the way because they don't get bumped up and so forth. Hell it's the internet, lets all just be racecar drivers and be the best-est in our own minds.

And depending on the shoe, it'll catch on the rubber grips. My work shoes such as those shown in the picture are fine but some of my tennis shoes like my Nike AirMax suck trying to rotate the foot.

Makes sense :cheers:

 

[belleg]

OK, I remember reading this in other threads. Too bad Ford did not design this the right way.

Nah, it's not too bad... the real problem are the grabby brakes (though in my non-pp EB they are workable)... the pedal spacing is OK - in my normal braking I slightly touch the gas pedal so HT is not a problem (I do it occasionally here and there)
:cheers:

 

[belleg]

and so are we. I personally don't think it's that easy. I'm also not paid to write articles.

A little bit of brakes in the PP and it bites hard. Look in that picture and you will notice the spacing isn't necessarily far apart, brakes are much higher than the gas pedal. If the brakes were a little lower then maybe it wouldn't be that bad for me. However, maybe I have bad form and I don't realize it. A video would prove to be useful in this regard. Lastly, I have to be in sport mode because normal mode has too much play in the gas pedal. However, no mention of that in the article...I believe the author said the gas responds with a touch of the gas...So he must have been in Sport mode or he is FOS. And if he has sport mode doesn't he have the PP (I cant remember) because he would complain about the brakes bite.

I cant imagine doing this on the street in daily driver mode. I can see getting rear ended quick with the PP's stopping power. I know practice is important to be smooth but damn the car is only 9 months old or less for many. Another reason why a video would be great because I strongly believe there are a lot of keyboard warriors that act like they are the sh!t on the streets. I've been driving for a long time and I listen to the engine noise of plenty of Mustang's ripping down the road and they are not racecar drivers. I use to take my bike to the track with friends and watch all these guys think they are the sh!t on the street until their first track day. Ego's get in the way because they don't get bumped up and so forth. Hell it's the internet, lets all just be racecar drivers and be the best-est in our own minds.

And depending on the shoe, it'll catch on the rubber grips. My work shoes such as those shown in the picture are fine but some of my tennis shoes like my Nike AirMax suck trying to rotate the foot.

Yeah agree with that

 

[OppoLock]

http://www.edmunds.com/ford/mustang...ent-keeps-lost-art-of-heel-and-toe-alive.html



And I am just a messenger.

I'm telling you, I practiced in neutral with the method shown in this pic. Even without having to focus on speeds and getting a throttle stab right, it's not easy.

 

[OppoLock]

and so are we. I personally don't think it's that easy. I'm also not paid to write articles.

A little bit of brakes in the PP and it bites hard. Look in that picture and you will notice the spacing isn't necessarily far apart, brakes are much higher than the gas pedal. If the brakes were a little lower then maybe it wouldn't be that bad for me. However, maybe I have bad form and I don't realize it. A video would prove to be useful in this regard. Lastly, I have to be in sport mode because normal mode has too much play in the gas pedal. However, no mention of that in the article...I believe the author said the gas responds with a touch of the gas...So he must have been in Sport mode or he is FOS. And if he has sport mode doesn't he have the PP (I cant remember) because he would complain about the brakes bite.

I cant imagine doing this on the street in daily driver mode. I can see getting rear ended quick with the PP's stopping power. I know practice is important to be smooth but damn the car is only 9 months old or less for many. Another reason why a video would be great because I strongly believe there are a lot of keyboard warriors that act like they are the sh!t on the streets. I've been driving for a long time and I listen to the engine noise of plenty of Mustang's ripping down the road and they are not racecar drivers. I use to take my bike to the track with friends and watch all these guys think they are the sh!t on the street until their first track day. Ego's get in the way because they don't get bumped up and so forth. Hell it's the internet, lets all just be racecar drivers and be the best-est in our own minds.

And depending on the shoe, it'll catch on the rubber grips. My work shoes such as those shown in the picture are fine but some of my tennis shoes like my Nike AirMax suck trying to rotate the foot.

+1 on the throttle sensitivity. So much easier in my friend's old Bullit and his brother's Mach I with a cable throttle.

 

[belleg]

I'm telling you, I practiced in neutral with the method shown in this pic. Even without having to focus on speeds and getting a throttle stab right, it's not easy.

how do you position your foot on the brake? If you place the entire foot on the brake flat (the way people do it on automatics) then it will be challenging to reach the gas pedal (and keep consistent pressure on the brakes). I am not an expert and it is not hard to reach both brake and gas pedals...

 

[Horse]

Thanks (to all) for commenting on (feasibility of) heel-toe in 2015 Mustang. Me without a mustang, I will stop/avoid making comments on 15 mustang. That said, I still might/will chime in on rev-match, double-clutch, and heel-toe as these are general techniques (although not everyone practices all of them). :cheers:

 

[Horse]

When I first decided to learn heel-toe, I really wanted to use my HEEL & TOE. Due to my pedal configuration, after trying many ways, I eventually settled in the following way that worked best for me in my (current) car: the so-called left-edge & right-edge (of right foot) method, as mentioned/practiced by many (also referred to as big-toe & small-toe method by many). I would use the left edge of my right foot to press the right edge of the brake pedal, then rock my right leg to the right (as if I wanted to bump the shift knob with my right knee) (this might be due to the fact that my ankle is not so flexible?) and thus make the right edge of the right foot blip the throttle.

 

[OppoLock]

how do you position your foot on the brake? If you place the entire foot on the brake flat (the way people do it on automatics) then it will be challenging to reach the gas pedal (and keep consistent pressure on the brakes). I am not an expert and it is not hard to reach both brake and gas pedals...

Absolutely - left ball of foot on edge of brake pedal, right edge of foot on gas pedal, slightly canted. Not graceful or easy for me at all, and I need wide shoes but still have issues.

What's your driving position like? Do you sit far away from the pedal set? I noticed that if I drive in a less proper, relaxed position, it's a lot easier. It's just not a good way to drive (going by traditional suggestions).

When I first decided to learn heel-toe, I really wanted to use my HEEL & TOE. Due to my pedal configuration, after trying many ways, I eventually settled in the following way that worked best for me in my (current) car: the so-called left-edge & right-edge (of right foot) method, as mentioned/practiced by many (also referred to as big-toe & small-toe method by many). I would use the left edge of my right foot to press the right edge of the brake pedal, then rock my right leg to the right (as if I wanted to bump the shift knob with my right knee) (this might be due to the fact that my ankle is not so flexible?) and thus make the right edge of the right foot blip the throttle.

Yeah, there's two methods: roll the ball of your foot or do a true pivot "heel-and-toe." I like the second method but it's not physically possible the way I sit.

If the car had a floor-mounted throttle pedal, it would be so much better.

 

[Mustang Convert]

So how can you downshift without rev matching? Are people just slowly letting out/slipping the clutch and gradually letting the revs increase? I thought that was one of the worst things you could do in terms of wearing out a clutch prematurely?

 

[Lowrider]

I wish there was an instructional video about rev matching that has more doing than talking like a lot of the other ones I've seen.


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Watch and try to apply the concept of heel-toeing...

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[Lowrider]

It's f*cking difficult, man. Either you get some plastic surgery to turn your foot into a ping pong paddle or you buy an extension/modify your pedal set.

If you sit in a typical driver's position--which would consist of sitting low to the ground, rather upright, and closer to the wheel--there's almost no way to do it gracefully. The pedals aren't just widely spaced; they're staggered with the brake pedal set further.

It is not difficult, its about practice -practice - practice ...here is someone doing it right.

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[Charles147]

Watch and try to apply the concept of heel-toeing...

Notice how the gas pedal and brakes are nearly identical in height. Not in a 15 buddy.

If my brake pedal sunk that far to the floor I wouldn't have a problem either. If I applied that much brake pressure my brakes would lock up in a skid.

 

[OppoLock]

It is not difficult, its about practice -practice - practice ...here is someone doing it right.

Looks like he's doing what I do, which is coasting and throttle blipping. I might be wrong, but I didn't see him braking aggressively and heel-toeing.

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