Focus RS head swap?

[Slow89]

Yeah, it would cost at least $1 million to engineer a new HPFP (at least that's what Adam @ Tune+ said a while back...). So you'll need someone with deep pockets to stand behind it. Not to mention that in the auto aftermarket circles, 1,000+ units is considered a good run. $1000 HPFP, anyone? And that's just breaking even on the engineering costs :frusty:

He also said nitrous would do nothing for a stock turbo, wga wouldn't help, Denso plugs are the best on the market and C16/Racegas wouldn't be any better than RGA. Again give it time and I guarantee a HPFP will eventually hit the market. Remember this car has only been out for 2 years. That's basically an infant in the aftermarket world.

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[ZenkaiRacer]

Have you guys not looked under your own hoods? The 2.3 is a headifold as well lol.

Also, cleaning of the valves related to DI engine gunk up is on the intake valves, not the exhaust valves.

 

[Juben]

From what I was told, Esslinger is supposedly working on an upgraded HPFP. I'd gladly pay $1,000-$1,500 for an upgraded fuel pump that's capable of running a higher mix of ethanol or even E85.

Like I've said before, we put a guy on the moon with calculator watch technology but yet we can't design an upgraded HPFP!? It'll come eventually.

 

[ElAviator72]

Have you guys not looked under your own hoods? The 2.3 is a headifold as well lol.

Also, cleaning of the valves related to DI engine gunk up is on the intake valves, not the exhaust valves.

Ah, didn't realize the headifold was on the exhaust side. I thought it was the intake side ;)

An exhaust manifold for our cars will be weird, anyways, as the twin scroll turbo separates out the inner cylinder exhaust from the outer cylinder exhaust (to avoid scavenging losses-this is actually part of the Ecoboost technology, at least on 4 bangers!). I've often wondered in the back of my mind how hard it would be to just do twin turbos and then have a true dual exhaust, and how much like a Subaru WRX we'd sound like at the end :love:

 

[Tune+]

We have the multi-port head from Ford ready to be tested, just waiting on manifold.

Regarding the RS head swap, would hardly be worth it. The power I'm making on the Focus RS is mostly from the turbo, and the much much much more efficient ancillary parts like the intake, downpipe, and exhaust. The car basically comes full bolt on from the factory.

 

[Tune+]

From what I was told, Esslinger is supposedly working on an upgraded HPFP. I'd gladly pay $1,000-$1,500 for an upgraded fuel pump that's capable of running a higher mix of ethanol or even E85.

Like I've said before, we put a guy on the moon with calculator watch technology but yet we can't design an upgraded HPFP!? It'll come eventually.

Meh. ;)

 

[apx632]

In all honesty I would just wait.... Some after market company will eventually make a wicked head for our cars. Give it some time and the market will continue to grow

That's a HUGE maybe. VERY few OHC motors have aftermarket castings, I can only think of 2 (ironically both Ford) off the top of my head. other wise everything else is just a worked over stock one. It would be nice if someone came out with an aftermarket one though.

 

[Tune+]

With multi-port available there really is no need for an aftermarket cylinder head, and if there ever was one made it would be near the 10,000 mark because of the systems complexity. If you remove any of the components you will need a EMS, so I highly doubt anything aftermarket is going to be made beyond a Ford Performance head with porting and valvetrain.

 

[Slow89]

I can confirm esslinger most likely has a HPFP in the works

 

[ElAviator72]

We have the multi-port head from Ford ready to be tested, just waiting on manifold.

Regarding the RS head swap, would hardly be worth it. The power I'm making on the Focus RS is mostly from the turbo, and the much much much more efficient ancillary parts like the intake, downpipe, and exhaust. The car basically comes full bolt on from the factory.

So, can you use your existing cams/valvetrain from a factory 2.3?

Also, who's making the manifold?

 

[Tune+]

So, can you use your existing cams/valvetrain from a factory 2.3?

Also, who's making the manifold?

Still waiting to get to that point, so far the head or block needs to be modified to work with the 2.3L it is not a direct bolt on affair. We will be looking at welding the head as it will be easier for customers if they ever wanted to do the conversion later.

I am doing the testing with MAPerformance on this one as they have the means.

 

[ElAviator72]

Still waiting to get to that point, so far the head or block needs to be modified to work with the 2.3L it is not a direct bolt on affair. We will be looking at welding the head as it will be easier for customers if they ever wanted to do the conversion later.

I am doing the testing with MAPerformance on this one as they have the means.

According to Ford Performance, all you need to do to fit it to the Mustang Ecoboost block is drill a new oil drain hole into the head...it says to contact them for the instructions on that

 

[Tune+]

According to Ford Performance, all you need to do to fit it to the Mustang Ecoboost block is drill a new oil drain hole into the head...it says to contact them for the instructions on that

We had to weld and drill :-/ They might be mistaken or leaving something out.

 

[ElAviator72]

We had to weld and drill :-/ They might be mistaken or leaving something out.

I just looked at the head again online here:

https://performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-6049-20EBIP

It says to contact the Ford Performance tech line for directions on how to put it onto the Mustang Ecoboost block. Not trying to tell you how to do your job, but maybe you should contact them and get those instructions? :shrug: Just sayin', and for the record, have a ton of respect for you in this forum, Adam...

 

[Busser48]

We have the multi-port head from Ford ready to be tested, just waiting on manifold.

Regarding the RS head swap, would hardly be worth it. The power I'm making on the Focus RS is mostly from the turbo, and the much much much more efficient ancillary parts like the intake, downpipe, and exhaust. The car basically comes full bolt on from the factory.

Would that turbo ever be available for the mustang you think?

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