ESS kit for 600whp, supporting upgrades needed?

[robvas]

No doubt it’s still faster but it’s closer than you think.

A stock hellcat manual runs a 11.9 quarter at the strip. A stock mustang gt manual runs a 12.5. Off the strip where traction isn’t perfect the gap closes based on driver skill and tire.

I put down 460whp/450wtq on the dyno. A hellcat that ran just before me put down 630whp and 610wtq. I weigh about 3750 lbs, a hellcat weighs about 4600lbs. That’s 8lb/hp for my car versus 7.4 for the cat.

I’ll grab a video next time I run one for you. From a dig-100 it’s pretty even. Depends on who gets the better launch. From a roll they’ll pull a door or two on me depending on takeoff speed. They start to pull away above 130 but really how often does anyone see that speed.

Arguably a more badass car though and more power which is why I want one.

You're trying to use math and all this other bullshit...Do you have a 1/4 mile timeslip or a dragy run? If not...this is a pretty meaningless conversation to have.

You're also talking about manual Hellcats for some reason. Which are pretty rare. And slower than the autos. But they're still way faster than your car. You're talking ET's, but they're going to be trapping 10mph ahead of you, stock.

You have an M6 and you're not even full bolt-on. I'm not talking shit, but it's just a fact that the M6 Mustangs are not 'fast' like the A10's. E85 and an X-pipe are not going to give you the ~100hp you're going to need to match a Hellcat.

If you had an FBO A10 it'd be another story. With a little weight reduction you could possibly run with an automatic Hellcat, those things trap 126-127mph bone stock (some faster some slower but let's just go with an average)

Save the video. From a dig? A Hellcat won't even get traction until 60mph.

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[tdstuart]

You do realize there are many 10 speed mustangs with bolt ons and e85 beating hellcats in a roll race?

 

[sms2022]

You're trying to use math and all this other bullshit...Do you have a 1/4 mile timeslip or a dragy run? If not...this is a pretty meaningless conversation to have.

You're also talking about manual Hellcats for some reason. Which are pretty rare. And slower than the autos. But they're still way faster than your car. You're talking ET's, but they're going to be trapping 10mph ahead of you, stock.

You have an M6 and you're not even full bolt-on. I'm not talking shit, but it's just a fact that the M6 Mustangs are not 'fast' like the A10's. E85 and an X-pipe are not going to give you the ~100hp you're going to need to match a Hellcat.

If you had an FBO A10 it'd be another story. With a little weight reduction you could possibly run with an automatic Hellcat, those things trap 126-127mph bone stock (some faster some slower but let's just go with an average)

Save the video. From a dig? A Hellcat won't even get traction until 60mph.

I’m talking about manual hellcats because that’s what I was considering trading into, that’s what we were discussing in the thread before you decided to add your 2 cents, and that’s the hellcat that i run against that’s owned by an acquaintance locally. No shit an auto car would slap me, just like an A10 mustang with my mods would slap me.

and yeah, strangely enough people still race from a dig. Just because that metric isn’t good for a hellcat doesn’t make it irrelevant. Last time I checked tires and the ability to launch your car were part of what made you fast. Despite what you hear on YouTube roll racing isn’t the end all be all.

 

[robvas]

You do realize there are many 10 speed mustangs with bolt ons and e85 beating hellcats in a roll race?

Which he isn't...

 

[robvas]

and yeah, strangely enough people still race from a dig. Just because that metric isn’t good for a hellcat doesn’t make it irrelevant. Last time I checked tires and the ability to launch your car were part of what made you fast. Despite what you hear on YouTube roll racing isn’t the end all be all.

So you're beating the tires and the driver then.

 

[sms2022]

So you're beating the tires and the driver then.

Lmao. Yeah that’s true, that’s what racing is. putting it that way is like saying Ford won at LeMans because they beat Ferraris brake setup and drivers. It is technically true. Nobody says that though. They just say Ford won.

 

[sms2022]

Which he isn't...

And I never said I was beating them in a roll, re-read my post. I said i lose in a roll, just not as bad as you think. apparently you missed that part, you were too busy calling weight to hp ratio irrelevant, even though it’s one of the most important predictors of performance there is and something race teams and OEMs take into account when designing cars.

 

[robvas]

And I never said I was beating them in a roll, re-read my post. I said i lose in a roll, just not as bad as you think. apparently you missed that part, you were too busy calling weight to hp ratio irrelevant, even though it’s one of the most important predictors of performance there is and something race teams and OEMs take into account when designing cars.

It's just starting to sound like when an ecoboost owner talks about "beating" GT's that's all

 

[tdstuart]

Which he isn't...

I never said he was beating them, I said depending on mods there probably not much faster than him. The whole point of the statement is that a hellcat isn’t a huge jump in speed.

 

[NGOT8R]

Speaking from personal experience, it is indeed VERY tough to run a good ET and MPH in an MT82-D4 car (even with a 3.73 rear gear), regardless of whether it’s a FBO car or one with a power adder (i.e. SC, turbo or nitrous) making 600 rwhp or more. They tend to be very lazy from a dig and will require much more power to run impressive numbers. I’ve struggled with this for the past two years and I’m beyond frustrated.

There’s a guy in a recent nitrous video (posted again below) of me lined up with a 2021 A10 GT (FBO car on drag radials and tuned on E85), which normally runs 11.7-11.8 ETs @ 121-122 mph. In the video, it appears that I was asleep at the tree, but I wasn’t. What I’m doing is working through trying to sort out my combination and therefore, I don’t worry about who or what is in the lane next to me and/or when they leave. Long story short, spraying nitrous in 2nd, 3rd and 4th (for about the last 100’) netted me a 11.65 ET @ 121.95 MPH.

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That’s why I recently made a thread asking for those with MT82-D4 cars to post their mods and timeslips showing what is possible, as there just isn’t much info. out there on the D4 cars.

I’ll leave it at this, I’ve encountered lots of people who think it should be much easier than it has proven to be for me thus far, to run a good number. To those, who feel this way, I challenge you to show me and the rest of us D4 cars how it’s done and provide proof.

 

[robvas]

I never said he was beating them, I said depending on mods there probably not much faster than him. The whole point of the statement is that a hellcat isn’t a huge jump in speed.

An M6 that isn't FBO isn't even on the same planet of an A10 that is, which is what people are saying 'beats hellcats'.

I'm not picking on this guy, it was just in the What's New, and he's basically running stock Hellcat times (let's put a Nitto on the Hellcat to be fair) with these mods:

2022 GT A10/E85/Kooks/CobraJet/PMAS/VMP69/Comp Cams/MBRP Axle-back/Roush H-pipe/BMR drag springs/Viking drag shocks/Kelltrac IRS Lockout/BMR Billet vertical links/BMR Billet camber arms/Billet Specialties Wheels/Hoosier rears/Mickey Thompson fronts/G-Force Halfshafts/JPC Racing line-locks/DSS driveline/Aerospace Components drag brakes/Boundry OPG/BMR K-Member/AntiGravity Battery.

https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/22’-gt-10-89-na.196921/

 

[sms2022]

It's just starting to sound like when an ecoboost owner talks about "beating" GT's that's all

EcoBoosts can beat GTs when both are in stock form on an autocross course. A lot of cars do certain things better than a GT or Hellcat. a hellcat spanks me in an all out straight line drag. My car would spank a hellcat around a road course. A GT350 would spank me around a road course. I’m missing your point.

Maybe you should go back and look at the first post in the thread. My whole point was the hellcat is the ultimate straight line car in my budget. I’m not arguing that. Just trying to determine if I want to slap a blower on my car to make it keep up with a hellcat more closely or trade it in on a hellcat or gt350 or something else.

 

[sms2022]

An M6 that isn't FBO isn't even on the same planet of an A10 that is, which is what people are saying 'beats hellcats'.

I'm not picking on this guy, it was just in the What's New, and he's basically running stock Hellcat times (let's put a Nitto on the Hellcat to be fair) with these mods:

2022 GT A10/E85/Kooks/CobraJet/PMAS/VMP69/Comp Cams/MBRP Axle-back/Roush H-pipe/BMR drag springs/Viking drag shocks/Kelltrac IRS Lockout/BMR Billet vertical links/BMR Billet camber arms/Billet Specialties Wheels/Hoosier rears/Mickey Thompson fronts/G-Force Halfshafts/JPC Racing line-locks/DSS driveline/Aerospace Components drag brakes/Boundry OPG/BMR K-Member/AntiGravity Battery.

https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/22’-gt-10-89-na.196921/

Dude nobody is comparing a manual mustang to an auto hellcat. Take that shit into another thread. I’m not considering an auto hellcat nor have I raced one.

 

[robvas]

Back on topic...

Don’t need to blow the tires off. It will add torque down low just not nearly as much as a whipple. Whipple was the other option I was looking at but the propensity of a pd blower to heatsoak concerns me

I think you are over-estimating how much low end you will get from a centri and also over-estimating how much heat soak you would deal with a modern Whipple or something.

Do you live near people that own either and you can drive both?

 

[sms2022]

Back on topic...



I think you are over-estimating how much low end you will get from a centri and also over-estimating how much heat soak you would deal with a modern Whipple or something.

I might be, that’s why I started the thread. I’ve never run a blower or really looked into it on these cars. If anyone has run a whipple on a road course car I’d be very interested to hear how it is and if they needed other cooling mods.

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