perfweld
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- Joined
- Feb 14, 2016
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- Location
- Northern CA
- Vehicle(s)
- 2015 Ecoboost Mustang
I bought my car used and it had 8000 miles on it, all I ever do with the car is go out and log then drive it to the track and go race it. I do drive it into town as well which is about 30 miles, and ive also taken 3 or 4 1000 mile road trips to see my parents in it. Since 8000 miles, my car had been rode hard, I believe with the stock engine I had well over 600 data logs and over a few hundred timeslips. I started out running mid 12s and had worked the car down to running 10.80s to 10.90s for a long period of time with the best of a 10.73 until at about 25k miles, I changed the engine out and put a built engine in. The original engine came out running fine and is now at Esslinger Enginnering getting a full build.
My car, the UPR car and even Jon Lunds personal ecoboost are a testament on how strong these engines are with the proper tune and adequate octane for the tune. Jons car did finally blow up but did run an 11.03 with the stock convertor and the stock turbo , which proved that he can only get so aggressive with low engine speed torque. Jon's goal was to get into the 10s with the stock turbo , and he truly didnt care in the end if it broke or not, for him it was a goal, and a way to learn more about what the stock engine could take.
I have the rods and pistons out of an OEM Spain engine, and my opinion is that the weak link is the I beam of the rod, its thin, the piston, pin, the small end and the big end of the rod are very stout, its just the I beam itself is thin. What this means is that at low engine speed if the tune is to aggressive and sees knock, it will bend, once bent, it will break something in the rod / piston assembly from there, if its not and instant catastrophe.
I think the 2015 Spanish to 2016 Cleveland engine theory is the biggest crock of shit ive ever heard. Rod bolts not being tight on all the rods is virtually impossible the way modern engines are assembled. Until I see a rod and piston from a Cleveland engine and compare it next to my Spanish built counterparts, I will always think its just a scandal and is being used as an excuse, the entire internet will cant convince me until parts are laid in front of me. It could even be that the Spanish built engines have better parts, but im not one to throw out a lie with no proof.
I say Happy Modding to all of you, choose your Tuner wisely !!!! , use good fuel all the time, and when your gonna race it or drive it real hard, over octane the car for the given tune, knock at low engine speed is what has killed all these engines, and will continue to do if not tuned correctly.
My car, the UPR car and even Jon Lunds personal ecoboost are a testament on how strong these engines are with the proper tune and adequate octane for the tune. Jons car did finally blow up but did run an 11.03 with the stock convertor and the stock turbo , which proved that he can only get so aggressive with low engine speed torque. Jon's goal was to get into the 10s with the stock turbo , and he truly didnt care in the end if it broke or not, for him it was a goal, and a way to learn more about what the stock engine could take.
I have the rods and pistons out of an OEM Spain engine, and my opinion is that the weak link is the I beam of the rod, its thin, the piston, pin, the small end and the big end of the rod are very stout, its just the I beam itself is thin. What this means is that at low engine speed if the tune is to aggressive and sees knock, it will bend, once bent, it will break something in the rod / piston assembly from there, if its not and instant catastrophe.
I think the 2015 Spanish to 2016 Cleveland engine theory is the biggest crock of shit ive ever heard. Rod bolts not being tight on all the rods is virtually impossible the way modern engines are assembled. Until I see a rod and piston from a Cleveland engine and compare it next to my Spanish built counterparts, I will always think its just a scandal and is being used as an excuse, the entire internet will cant convince me until parts are laid in front of me. It could even be that the Spanish built engines have better parts, but im not one to throw out a lie with no proof.
I say Happy Modding to all of you, choose your Tuner wisely !!!! , use good fuel all the time, and when your gonna race it or drive it real hard, over octane the car for the given tune, knock at low engine speed is what has killed all these engines, and will continue to do if not tuned correctly.
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