Ecoboost Engine Blown?

[Mattrix]

Some people don't get it. Oil filters. Brakes. Struts. Shocks etc. no manufacturers going to warranty a modified car that is built or added on. Don't think that if you add a bigger turbo or add a blower etc that the manufacturer is going to warranty a blown engine.

As more of us learn the hard way and tell our stories others will hopefully get it. In the meantime hopefully people are happy with what they're doing to their cars and have no problems.

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[Voodooo]

I'm a mechanic and business owner. I service fleets and business vehicles. Many are commercial trucks and vans. Rangers to F750s to international durastars and freightliners. I've had my times with all makes and models of vehicles. When it comes to warranty repairs they have the upper hand. I'll give you an example. On 3 F550 fords in a fleet I service all less then 20000 miles had the 6 speed trannys go out. All the trucks are 2012. Still under warranty at the time. Each truck has a PTO driven air compressor and generator. Ford blamed it on the PTO drive. Even when it was proven that the PTO wasn't at fault. I'm also a driveline specialist and to get a second opinion on the PTO I sent them back to Chelsea. They confirmed that the PTO was still good but ford didn't care and charged the customer $10000.00 for each transmission. I had a 4th truck do the exact same thing as the first 3. I removed the PTO and sent the truck to the dealer and they replaced the tranny free under warranty. These transmissions come up fitted by a ford approved up fitter. And the transmissions already have a PTO hook up right from ford. If they want to denie a warranty good luck. They have better lawyer and more money then you. If you modify your car while it's still under warranty give it a good thought or, learn to fix it at your expense, wait until it's out of warranty or don't do it at all. I do my own wrenching so I don't care about warranties.
But if you install headers and your engine blows up they can denie it. But if the window motor goes out then they will cover it. It's a iffy subject.

 

[Voodooo]

As more of us learn the hard way and tell our stories others will hopefully get it. In the meantime hopefully people are happy with what they're doing to their cars and have no problems.

I agree.

 

[OEMRadio]

This is why I don't touch my GT500.... I don't want to spend 30 grand on a motor for a few extra horses.. I mean I understand wanting more power from a car.. but at what cost.. and Ford doesn't care who you are.. they will decline you in a heartbeat and won't blink an eye.

I do work for dealers and a customer bought a new Super Duty.. dealer told him Ford only will warranty a truck with a Pro Comp lift.. if you do any other lift they will decline no hesitation.. Customer wanted a BDS.. said he has bought 30 Fords in the last few years and he would have a lawyer all over their ass for declining him and would never buy another Ford gain.. Dealer told him he will find out..

Had the lift installed.. guess what.. transfer case failed.. and guess what else.. Ford said take a hike.. He called threatened them.. Ford told him to get in line.. they have a Legal team of 400 people to handle these things and will address the situation and as soon as he mentioned lawyer they ended the call and refused to speak to him anymore because he mentioned legal action and could at that point only speak to legal.

He paid $6000 and got his truck back and no longer has drive line warranty. Now if he were to get a pro comp lift and have it inspected and photos sent to ford he may have it reinstated.

I will say this about Ford.. they are cut throat.. and don't give a flip about it.. if you touch anything,.. you have almost certainly voided that warranty..

Also.. you can't get mad at a dealer.. Ford requires Photos of everything and if it is Motor related they have a team of field engineers that will be there to see for themselves..

Keep it stock.. unless you have money to play with

 

[OEMRadio]

I am trying to post a PDF.. it is a great item to read.. it is straight from Ford and is only accessible from their Tech site.. I just wanted to have people read it.. can anyone offer a suggestion for Posting PDF files.. every time I try the file uploader it says failed..

 

[stoli]

Google drive and then share the link.


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[OEMRadio]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3j7ElB-PVhqQURHLUNqd1I3MFU/view?usp=sharing

I just want people to read this.. I have my interpretation.. but you guys can see what you think

 

[OEMRadio]

Google drive and then share the link.


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Thanks

 

[JeffreyDJ]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3j7ElB-PVhqQURHLUNqd1I3MFU/view?usp=sharing

I just want people to read this.. I have my interpretation.. but you guys can see what you think

It's pretty obvious from the document that they lean toward the modification causing the issue. It's actually understandable, if the modification could have caused the problem it's in the best interest of both the dealer and other customers to not warrant it. I know it's not a popular opinion, but the reality is many failures are due to modification. If they warranted those, the cost would have to be passed to everyone else.

As everyone else has said, you have to pay to play. I've not yet done any mods, because I don't want to pay for a failure that may or may not be Ford's issue.

 

[Joe_Stang]

This is why I don't touch my GT500.... I don't want to spend 30 grand on a motor for a few extra horses.. I mean I understand wanting more power from a car.. but at what cost.. and Ford doesn't care who you are.. they will decline you in a heartbeat and won't blink an eye.

I do work for dealers and a customer bought a new Super Duty.. dealer told him Ford only will warranty a truck with a Pro Comp lift.. if you do any other lift they will decline no hesitation.. Customer wanted a BDS.. said he has bought 30 Fords in the last few years and he would have a lawyer all over their ass for declining him and would never buy another Ford gain.. Dealer told him he will find out..

Had the lift installed.. guess what.. transfer case failed.. and guess what else.. Ford said take a hike.. He called threatened them.. Ford told him to get in line.. they have a Legal team of 400 people to handle these things and will address the situation and as soon as he mentioned lawyer they ended the call and refused to speak to him anymore because he mentioned legal action and could at that point only speak to legal.

He paid $6000 and got his truck back and no longer has drive line warranty. Now if he were to get a pro comp lift and have it inspected and photos sent to ford he may have it reinstated.

I will say this about Ford.. they are cut throat.. and don't give a flip about it.. if you touch anything,.. you have almost certainly voided that warranty..

Also.. you can't get mad at a dealer.. Ford requires Photos of everything and if it is Motor related they have a team of field engineers that will be there to see for themselves..

Keep it stock.. unless you have money to play with

Exactly you cannot hide much if anything at all from the dealer

 

[RobBaker]

Clearly I would have a very difficult time with an engine warranty issue with my car after a very quick review of this document. They even point to exhaust and intake mods as reasons for denying engine warranty. They also clearly point fingers specifically at the investigation of tunes as a reason to deny warranty. By my quick read of this document we have been put on notice that our modified Mustangs are no longer warranted.

 

[OEMRadio]

I read it and it has basically kept me from doing a tune on my ST.. I think ford has basically just said that they build the cars.. And they make them as performance oriented as they can in a manner that can be manufactured to be reliable enough to warranty for the price of the car plus the cost of any extended warranty they offer.

For me and my 14 GT500 to have a 662hp car with a 36k mile warranty plus I have a ford esp that takes me to 75k.. That's hard to beat..

My ST is 260 and I love driving it.. Could it have more.. Maybe.. But I can buy a tune from ford performance and get that extra that will fall in being covered.. So I don't think you can't really say ford is anti modding.. They offer packages they feel are safe.. They just cost more.. But do they cost more than the potential of a engine replacement?

 

[Asharus]

great document. u can clearly see that ford is not stupid when it comes to denying warranty

 

[GT Pony]

Clearly I would have a very difficult time with an engine warranty issue with my car after a very quick review of this document. They even point to exhaust and intake mods as reasons for denying engine warranty.

I'd be pretty pissed if my engine had a major issue and they denied warranty because I just had an H-pipe resonator delete on the car that had nothing to do with the problem.

They can also abuse the customer by saying any mod voids the warranty, even though they can't prove the mod was really the cause.

 

[Asharus]

it has nothing to do w/ the 5.0. these are the only failure modes listed for an aftermarket exhaust system:

Possible Failure Modes:

Turbocharger compressor damage
Exhaust smoke due to change in system backpressure
Piston damage

piston damage is questionable, so here's further elaboration on it:

Description: Damage to piston profiles can often be attributed to pre-ignition (knock) events. OEM

calibrations will protect the engine from pre-ignition damage by retarding spark. Aftermarket

calibrations will typically change timing schedules and allow the engine to run closer to damage limits.

Pre-ignition along with extreme air-fuel ratios and excessive oil consumption may also damage catalyst

material. This material can then be pulled back into the engine, scoring the cylinder bore walls.

Possible Causes:

Altered calibration (Sec. C.1.1)

Turbo modifications (Sec. C.2.1)

Exhaust system modifications (Sec. C.1.5)

Catalyst Damage

Low Quality Fuel

haven't seen anyone with a coyote with busted pistons due to a catback exhaust system.

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