Ecoboost Engine Blown?

[Steeeliskt]

For sure. If the parts don't come in soon I may just have the car towed and park it in the garage until spring. It's costing me money having full coverage insurance on it while it sits at the dealership. Towing also costs money though so not quite ready to make a move. I wish they could give an ETA on the parts.

You have a loan on the vehicle, right? If so.. you won't be able to remove the insurance coverage. As soon as you cancel the policy, the insurance carrier will notify your lender, your lender will force place coverage and add it to your loan unless you get a policy back in-force.

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[Asharus]

what an expensive toy to just sit in the garage for the winter

 

[Mattrix]

You have a loan on the vehicle, right? If so.. you won't be able to remove the insurance coverage. As soon as you cancel the policy, the insurance carrier will notify your lender, your lender will force place coverage and add it to your loan unless you get a policy back in-force.

I can change it to fire and theft coverage only. I already had that setup with my insurance company but had to pull it back once this happened. It doesn't need collision coverage while in storage.

I originally had the insurance changing on November 4th but the 3rd new hose for my car couldn't be installed by the dealership until November 5th. I had to turn the full coverage back on before then. The car was set to go into storage but the engine blew on my way to the dealership for that repair.

what an expensive toy to just sit in the garage for the winter

For sure but winters suck and when you plan to keep a car for a long time the last thing you want to do is drive it in the snow and salt covered roads. It's very common in Michigan to garage your nice car. The warm months here are awesome though, car shows and events everyday if you have the time to get to them.

 

[EcoMax]

Got the car back, they fixed the overboost condition but the car still wont boost past 12 and it sounds like a vacuum leak on the turbo side. Do any of you ever see your boost numbers go backwards?

 

[HoosierDaddy]

So you're saying next time time you're just going to plain try to cheat / lie and what you should have done ?

That's an interpretation that may not be accurate.

If I wasn't sure my mod caused the problem, I would return to stock before taking it in but wouldn't lie about it if they analyzed and said this couldn't happen unless.... and that "unless" pointed to the mod.

In a perfect world everyone would be perfectly transparent and honorable, BUT in the real world, manufacturers and dealers are as likely to "cheat" the customer. I'm not saying two wrongs make a right and don't condone trying to cheat a manufacturer. But take this case, unless I missed something, the manufacturer refused to even do an inspection to determine if the mod caused the problem. They just decided that they had the power and had zero problem letting the customer pay for the repairs that MIGHT have been a defect in the product.

I'll give a real world absolutely irrefutable proof that taking the mod off by itself is not immoral.

A very few Cadillac turbo engines had some problem that resulted in broken pistons. Cadillac wouldn't admit specifics but did do a recall to eliminate the problem. These failures were clearly not caused by mods. Some happened in bone stock dealer loaners, at least one just blocks after leaving the dealer. But a few owners who tuned their car and said so up front were told tough luck despite no difference in what a tear down showed compared to the non-tuned. So removing the tune before towing or limping to the dealer is justified self defense in my book.

Now if they came back and said, we have never seen anything like this except if xxxxxxxxxxxx mods had been done, then fess up. Otherwise if there is no way to know who's responsible, its foolish to take responsibility for something you may not have caused.

 

[stoli]

But take this case, unless I missed something, the manufacturer refused to even do an inspection to determine if the mod caused the problem. They just decided that they had the power and had zero problem letting the customer pay for the repairs that MIGHT have been a defect in the product.

How would you propose Ford determine if another company's (JMS) boost module caused the problem? Should they spend the time and money doing research on multiple cars, different weather conditions, new oil, old oil, ad infinitum? OP bumped the boost above oem levels with an aftermarket part. That's where Ford's responsibility ended.

MagMoss doesn't obligate a manufacturer to prove a mod that is outside of their design caused a failure. That obligation shifts to the customer.

 

[kz]

That's an interpretation that may not be accurate.

If I wasn't sure my mod caused the problem, I would return to stock before taking it in but wouldn't lie about it if they analyzed and said this couldn't happen unless.... and that "unless" pointed to the mod.

In a perfect world everyone would be perfectly transparent and honorable, BUT in the real world, manufacturers and dealers are as likely to "cheat" the customer.

They're not cheating anybody. See post above by Stoli. They sell the car as is, expecting them to warranty repair it because somebody put some stupid stuff on it is plain unfair and stupid. At the end, we're all going to pay for it in a either cost of service or cost of the car (or company will go bankrupt).
Again, work for a company that fields much more complicated and much more expensive products. Minute you put non-OEM nut on it (literally) all manufacturer support is gone (in a perfect world, in a reality there are business relationships that impact this). It's a company policy.

While Mag-Moss was instituted to protect customers, it should (IMO) very specifically exclude any performance modifications.

 

[SYK]

They're not cheating anybody. See post above by Stoli. They sell the car as is, expecting them to warranty repair it because somebody put some stupid stuff on it is plain unfair and stupid. At the end, we're all going to pay for it in a either cost of service or cost of the car (or company will go bankrupt).
Again, work for a company that fields much more complicated and much more expensive products. Minute you put non-OEM nut on it (literally) all manufacturer support is gone (in a perfect world, in a reality there are business relationships that impact this). It's a company policy.

While Mag-Moss was instituted to protect customers, it should (IMO) very specifically exclude any performance modifications.

Mag-Moss provides protection for performance mod.. but it doesn't go into detail of what kind of performance mods should be protected.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

How would you propose Ford determine if another company's (JMS) boost module caused the problem? Should they spend the time and money doing research on multiple cars, different weather conditions, new oil, old oil, ad infinitum? OP bumped the boost above oem levels with an aftermarket part. That's where Ford's responsibility ended.

MagMoss doesn't obligate a manufacturer to prove a mod that is outside of their design caused a failure. That obligation shifts to the customer.

I'm not talking about MagMoss.

And I'm not talking about them researching all possible mods to know which are safe.

I'm saying that a bad part can break with or without a mod. Manufacturers have been known to refuse to fix parts that have a history of failing the exactly same way without mods. There can be no doubt that some of those were NOT caused by the mod.

So I stand by my position of removing any mods before taking a car in for some failure. I'm not saying to deny any mods. If they tear into it and say they have never seen the problem before or that they have only seen it with certain mods I would voluntarily tell them about the mods and offer to pay for their analysis. There is no way that is in any way unethical or immoral. And I am NOT requiring them to prove the mod was at fault.

 

[stoli]

Mag-Moss provides protection for performance mod.. but it doesn't go into detail of what kind of performance mods should be protected.

It does not. It provides protections for alternatives to oem parts. They still have to meet the specs of the oem part it is replacing.

 

[kz]

Mag-Moss provides protection for performance mod.. but it doesn't go into detail of what kind of performance mods should be protected.

You have to be kidding...

I just wish people would own up to what they're doing. Not only in this matter, just in general.

 

[EcoMax]

Quick update, went out on my lunch break to get some food, the car wont start. Absolutely amazing how shit this car is!

 

[Mattrix]

Quick update, went out on my lunch break to get some food, the car wont start. Absolutely amazing how shit this car is!

Sorry to hear you're having so many issues. Someday we'll know the whole story behind the problems people have had. Until then we just collect data and try to determine the logical explanation.

I hope they get your problems ironed out and you have no more issues. My parts are still on backorder with no ETA.

 

[Voodooo]

Mag mos is for Oil filters. Brakes. Struts. Shocks etc. no manufacturers going to warranty a modified car that is built or added on. Don't think that if you add a bigger turbo or add a blower etc that the manufacturer is going to warranty a blown engine.

 

[show7ime]

Some people don't get it. Oil filters. Brakes. Struts. Shocks etc. no manufacturers going to warranty a modified car that is built or added on. Don't think that if you add a bigger turbo or add a blower etc that the manufacturer is going to warranty a blown engine.

They will warranty the non affected area. I'm sure it was implied, but I'm always certain someone would have taken that out of context.


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