Easy engine setup for 1000hp?

[Slamdcoop0428]

I did the aluminator route and sold the old motor to offset the cost. I'd of been better off building. I still had to have the cs put in and I did valve springs as well. What a fuck story that was. I installed the livernois springs by the recommendation of my tuner and was getting valve float at 10.5 lbs of boost. Went back into the motor and had the mpr springs installed and as of now she's running strong. Don't want to go any higher for fear of the block. I could've built fully sleeved motor for what I have into my aluminator.

Only a 147 trap with 900+ whp? Are you spinning?

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[Dennisn]

I thought the trap was pretty good. Not thrilled with the et. This was on heavy ass wheels full weight. I'm gonna say 4100 with driver.

I'm working on it brotha. No transbrake

Spinning a little..........

 

[donmcgowen]

Can a Whipple even make 1000whp? I know some twin turbo setups not making 1000whp with everything thrown at it.

 

[jhatley7]

Can a Whipple even make 1000whp? I know some twin turbo setups not making 1000whp with everything thrown at it.

Not with stock heads and cams. Or at least nobody has done it yet.

 

[esacteksab]

Not with stock heads and cams. Or at least nobody has done it yet.

Yeah. Not gonna happen. Talk to [MENTION=17037]doodguy[/MENTION] he's tried really really hard.

 

[jhatley7]

Yeah. Not gonna happen. Talk to [MENTION=17037]doodguy[/MENTION] he's tried really really hard.

Yea we have. I'm still on the head work bandwagon. I think with that he will break 1k. The faster the air gets out, the less restriction, the more efficient the blower will be???

 

[esacteksab]

Yea we have. I'm still on the head work bandwagon. I think with that he will break 1k. The faster the air gets out, the less restriction, the more efficient the blower will be???

Makes sense, engine being an air pump and all. I have no idea why, but I've seen zero flow sheets from modern Fords. It's like tuning, all the porters are equally secretive about before/after numbers.

I think I'm gonna build my stuff with stock heads/cams...just to see before/after, but I want more data before dropping $$ to get some semblance of an ROI.

 

[Burnin4]

Can a Whipple even make 1000whp? I know some twin turbo setups not making 1000whp with everything thrown at it.

What turbo kit? S550? I have an off the shelf Hellion kit with 62's, on 21-22ps I made 1060/975 and trap 155's. I'm curious how much whp/tq I lose through my auto.

 

[olaosunt]

I am hoping to be close when I finally get my 3.2 KB back on the sleeved 5.2 block and GT 350 heads.

I stuck with the stock GT cams after debating the COMP 2 cams.

I was afraid of drivability issues and losing low rpm torque.

With the old 5.0 and same head/cam combo it was close with the 3.5 upper and 20 @ lower(950 SAE).

Hoping the extra 0.2 is enough to get me there.
If not I will pulley down.

 

[olaosunt]

I have been visiting lot of engine builders websites lately.
Came across this on the L&M site.
Looks like the "mother" of all blocks
https://www.lmengines.com/bear-aftermarket-coyote-block.html

"Special 5.0L Coyote HD block designed specifically for supercharged/turbo Hi-Output engines Cast with high strength A356 T6 aluminum, fit & finish superior to OEM Additional ribbing in valley between banks for added strength Cylinder support added at both 12 and 6 o’clock deck water port positions for increased block integrity Modified water jackets for increased sleeve support Provisions for piston oil squirters O-ringed oil pump discharge port to eliminate high pressure leaks -12 AN ORB remote oil filter bosses allowing for remote oil filter & cooler More than 80% increase in sleeve wall thickness Field Replaceable Flanged Ductile Iron Sleeves 1 inch Diameter Oversized Reinforced motor mounts to eliminate block/bore distortion Massive 24mm Nodular Iron Mains, hardened dowel pin located ARP 2000 ½ inch Main Studs – 125 ft/lb TQ Spec ARP 8740 Dual ⁷⁄₁₆ inch Side Bolts – 80 ft/lb TQ Spec ARP 2000 12mm head studs terminating in the main web – 125 ft/lb TQ Spec All oil galleys finished for screw in plugs Block is finished machined except for final hone"


But $6500.....Damn
I think I will stick to the sleeved block. I want to eventually build a "spare" using a new /used sleeved block(or send one in to be sleeved).

I have plenty of "internals" lying around including complete forged rotating assemblies.

With new bearings/rigs and ARP hardware I may be able to put a sleeved short block together for $3K if I can have one of my old bare blocks sleeved($1k more if I have to get a new /used one).

With the old GT heads I have lying around I could even have an assembled long block ready to go..... just in case.

 

[pro 5.0]

I did the aluminator route and sold the old motor to offset the cost. I'd of been better off building. I still had to have the cs put in and I did valve springs as well. What a fuck story that was. I installed the livernois springs by the recommendation of my tuner and was getting valve float at 10.5 lbs of boost. Went back into the motor and had the mpr springs installed and as of now she's running strong. Don't want to go any higher for fear of the block. I could've built fully sleeved motor for what I have into my aluminator.

So it would appear that the Livernois springs were worse than the stock springs as they don't float at even 15 psi. Do you know what the seat pressure was on the Livernois springs ?

 

[jhatley7]

I have been visiting lot of engine builders websites lately.
Cam across this on the L&M site.
Looks like the "mother" of all blocks
https://www.lmengines.com/bear-aftermarket-coyote-block.html

"Special 5.0L Coyote HD block designed specifically for supercharged/turbo Hi-Output engines Cast with high strength A356 T6 aluminum, fit & finish superior to OEM Additional ribbing in valley between banks for added strength Cylinder support added at both 12 and 6 o’clock deck water port positions for increased block integrity Modified water jackets for increased sleeve support Provisions for piston oil squirters O-ringed oil pump discharge port to eliminate high pressure leaks -12 AN ORB remote oil filter bosses allowing for remote oil filter & cooler More than 80% increase in sleeve wall thickness Field Replaceable Flanged Ductile Iron Sleeves 1 inch Diameter Oversized Reinforced motor mounts to eliminate block/bore distortion Massive 24mm Nodular Iron Mains, hardened dowel pin located ARP 2000 ½ inch Main Studs – 125 ft/lb TQ Spec ARP 8740 Dual ⁷⁄₁₆ inch Side Bolts – 80 ft/lb TQ Spec ARP 2000 12mm head studs terminating in the main web – 125 ft/lb TQ Spec All oil galleys finished for screw in plugs Block is finished machined except for final hone"

Think that's better that full billet? I like that price better for sure lol.

 

[mustang_guy]

Makes sense, engine being an air pump and all. I have no idea why, but I've seen zero flow sheets from modern Fords. It's like tuning, all the porters are equally secretive about before/after numbers.

I think I'm gonna build my stuff with stock heads/cams...just to see before/after, but I want more data before dropping $$ to get some semblance of an ROI.

RGR shares the before and after for each of their three stages in their heads vs stock.

 

[mustang_guy]

Michael Rauscher at L&M are a bunch of crooks. Shame the thread on svt was deleted. Badcompany was never made whole after the 80-90k he had in his 5.8 gt500

 

[Dennisn]

So it would appear that the Livernois springs were worse than the stock springs as they don't float at even 15 psi. Do you know what the seat pressure was on the Livernois springs ?

Think the seat pressure was 69 on the livernois springs. Now full disclosure they were not shimmed when they were installed. Installer thought they were drop in springs. I found after the fact but figured they still should've been enough at that low of boost.

Livernois claims there better because they will last longer and hold their coil strength over time. Yada yada yada. From what I'm told they can build a good engine they are just not that versed in turbo setups and requirements.

I cannot believe for one second properly shimmed those springs would've not floated at 15 lbs of boost. I'm glad they are outta the motor.

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