Die hard Manual guys get in here!

[Norm Peterson]

Just because I have it . . . this Turbo S automatic sure wasn't in the right gear through the sweepers because it only reacted to pedal position on exit. Prediction/anticipation would be if it had gotten into that lower gear by itself just before turn-in.

I also drove an F430 and a Gallardo, and while my lap times in the 911 were a tick faster (partly because I drove it last and knew the course better), it was a generally less satisfying drive.




It's not that I can't drive an automatic, or drive it (safely, under full control) with a fair bit of enthusiasm. I just don't like to, don't like when its shifting gets out of step with what I'd be doing.


Norm

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[Stuntman]

997, or 991 turbo S? Did you have the transmission in Sport mode or just Drive?


EDIT - just watched the video.

So you drove a Triptronic 997 Turbo S. The Triptronic sucks compared to PDK or many of the other cars I listed.

"Drive" mode is meant for cruising around town. You don't want the car to constantly be downshifting to keep you in the most responsive gear when you're out getting groceries. That's what "sport" mode is for, which is much better and the algorithms will downshift to keep you in a more ideal gear, but its still not as good as PDK, Chevy/Ford's 10speed, etc...

 

[Ebm]

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So who's looking forward to driving a 2018 Mustang with a slush box 10 speed? Haha

 

[TexasRebel]

I suppose if I had a Model T with it's peculiar planetary gear transmission and goofy peddle-shifting, I'd tell you I liked that too.

the Model T planetary system is hardly "peculiar". It's nearly identical, in fact, to the planetary & friction disk systems used in modern automatic transmissions. The only difference is the manual foot operated friction bands as opposed to automatic hydraulically operated friction plate stacks.

There was no shifting in a Model T. Just three pedals and a lever that operated different friction bands. The rightmost pedal was the transmission brake. The center pedal: reverse. The leftmost pedal was a H-N-L selector.

All the way in arrested the drum on the low-gear planetary which fixed the low sun gear in place.
Approximately halfway allowed full slip of the planetary stack, and all the way out locked the clutch stack within the drums to create direct drive.

Now hydraulic pressure does all of the footwork. ;)

 

[bigjohns97]

So who's looking forward to driving a 2018 Mustang with a slush box 10 speed? Haha

I am, if it's a slush box then my decision will be all that much easier

 

[Ctease]

Look up "lateral acceleration sensor". The output from this tells a computer when you are cornering and a modern (in the last 25 years) gearbox will just hold the gear until the corner is passed.

My old 80's Jag did change gear in corners and it was scary but my 90's Jag did not.

Autoboxes stopped changing gear in corners about 25 years ago.

My three (including my wife's) current auto vehicles change gear, both up & downshift, in corners. My previous Lexus would shift so hard around a corner, near my house, it would cause backend to drift. All wheel steering would steer rear tires to counter the drift and traction control would seemlessly pull a little torque. It was fun that's why I remember. Turning traction control off would result in awkwardly slow fishtail because AWS would still counter full drift and tires would go full burnout. Not as much fun.

Do you have an official press release or Engineering article that would explain the, no shift during corners for 25yrs theory? Or are you basing on your two Jags. Thanks.

 

[Norm Peterson]

Now hydraulic pressure does all of the footwork. ;)

And somebody else's logic (and CAFE agenda) tells the hydraulic pressure what to do and when to do it.

"Drive" mode is meant for cruising around town. You don't want the car to constantly be downshifting to keep you in the most responsive gear when you're out getting groceries. That's what "sport" mode is for, which is much better and the algorithms will downshift to keep you in a more ideal gear, but its still not as good as PDK, Chevy/Ford's 10speed, etc...

For as often as I tend to shift - I used to figure about 30 - 35 shifts on the 5 mile commute to work in little or no traffic and 65 - 70 on the 5.5 mile return trip home in light to moderate traffic - 'Sport' mode sounds on the surface that it might suit me better. But then I realize that at any given moment that wouldn't suit me either. Especially these days, where I no longer have a commute and have more freedom to choose when to be driving. So if I've got to bother with switching between D and S, I'm well on the way to just doing it all myself anyway.


Norm

 

[TexasRebel]

If you were to buy a Roll Royce Wraith then you get Satellite Aided Transmission. A technology that uses GPS mapping data to ensure the correct gear is always pre-selected for the road terrain ahead.

That could be handy for blind corners.

or deadly in construction.

 

[9secondko]

So who's looking forward to driving a 2018 Mustang with a slush box 10 speed? Haha

You need to upgrade your thinking to keep pace with modern and contemporary advances.

This 10 speed will make you think your manual was the slush box.

 

[Ebm]

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You need to upgrade your thinking to keep pace with modern and contemporary advances.

This 10 speed will make you think your manual was the slush box.

It was a joke because this thread is a joke. Don't be so uptight. Trust me, I know all about technology. I work with it everyday.

But on a serious note, I hope it's something like VAG's DSG transmission. That transmission is one of the best in the world for a common car.

 

[Norm Peterson]

You need to upgrade your thinking to keep pace with modern and contemporary advances.

Thanks, but I'm not a herd animal so I'll make my own choices as to which "modern and contemporary advances" I will embrace and which ones I won't. Just because all sorts of "advances" are available doesn't guarantee that every single one of them is going to be right for me even if they're perfect for you. (and it still doesn't matter to me if my 5M or 6M is slower or slower-shifting than the 10A)


Norm

 

[Sabre]

Billy Johnson just recently said that he had just driven the 18 Mustang GT with the 10 speed auto trans....he self admitted that he's a manual kind of guy, but after driving the 10 speed auto he said it would really be a hard/tough decision between the manual and the auto trans.

If Billy is enthusiast about the auto trans, then I'd say it must be very good.

I'm in the same boat as Billy and a lot of folks here....always been a manual kind of guy. But, as I get closer to 60, an auto trans ( if it's a really good one ) seems to start making a lot of sense. My track days are a small portion of the total mileage that I drive the car.....and an auto in heavy traffic would be awfully nice at times.

So...while I want to drive one and find out for myself, Billy's recommendation goes a long way toward me taking a much harder look at the 10 speed auto in the 18 Mustang that I'm seriously considering.

 

[Norm Peterson]

Who is Billy Johnson?



(I'll be 70 this coming November)


Norm

 

[1320']

Who is Billy Johnson?



(I'll be 70 this coming November)


Norm

He drove the #15 GT350R-C in the IMSA CTSCC for Multimatic. He also runs the #66 Ford GT in the WEC for Chip Ganassi racing. He's also a test driver and developer partnered with Ford for the FR350S and the Mustang GT4.

 

[Sabre]

Who is Billy Johnson?



(I'll be 70 this coming November)


Norm

Sorry, thought just about everyone here would recognize the name Billy Johnson.

Billy is a top level Ford professional racing driver....he has been called Ford's "secret weapon". Billy has raced Mustangs for many years in the Continental Tire Sports Car Challenge series as well as many other cars in the Rolex GT and Daytona Prototype classes. He and his Multimatic co -driver Scott Maxwell, piloted the Multimatic Ford GT350RC to the CTSCC Championship title last year. He and Scott were the first to test drive and develop the new Ford GT being built by Multimatic and last year and this year he is co-driving the new Ford GT for Multimatic/ChipGanassi team in the WEC in Europe. Billy is a road racing specialist and was called Ford's "secret weapon" for his ability to tutor and train other Ford drivers in the ways of road racing. He is also currently helping test and develop many of Ford's high performance street cars and vehicles. During the winter off season, IMSA upgrade Billy's driver rating from Gold to Platinum...( which by IMSA rules )took him out of his Mustang seat in the CTSCC series. Otherwise, you can bet you'd see him contending for the CTSCC series title in the Multimatic Mustang with his co-driver Scott Maxwell again this year.

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