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No, the dumb is the people who put a bandana over their face and think they are saving the world.
except FraudXi claimed it was effective and the "right thing" we just had to do. They are just following "the science" as their Authority Figures (NIH/CDC et. al.) are proclaiming it to be. We're not all savvy enough to evaluate every utterance from on high as to veracity and truthiness. Or point out the inconvenient truth that the CDC's own prospective 15yrs worth and even latest "mask efficacy" studies have consistently shown just like the Dutch one, that they don't work.
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except FraudXi claimed it was effective and the "right thing" we had to do. They are just following "the science" as their Authority Figures (NIH/CDC et. al.) are proclaiming it to be. We're not all savvy enough to evaluate every utterance from on high as to veracity and truthiness.
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Never saw the attraction in midget wrestling, but have to admit the mental version is quite entertaining.
LoL...
Do you remember dwarf tossing?
They would travel around the country with a few "little people" who would suit-up with a football helmet, pads, etc... and people (usually big guys) would pay to pick them up by a handle on the the shoulder pads/seat of the pants and toss them down a padded area to see how far you can make 'em go.
I did it in college once (I used to lift weights 5 days a week).
It was deemed in-humane I guess and outlawed in a lot of places...
 

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In development of the vaccine, the animals that were used all died upon their second exposure to Covid (I am not sure which brand of vaccine this statement it true for).
you're referring to the Feline Corona vax attempt that killed all hosts. There has been very limited success with Corona vax and it's been in cattle. The homo sapiens one is truly a first. Efficacy is yet to be determined and so far the longer-term observations put the lie to the claimed study numbers.
 

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Interesting that when a scientist changes a view it is considered a bad thing by lay people.

That's how science works folks!

Cue the "The Theory of Relativity is just a theory" folks in three...two...one...
Yea, and CO2 is a "poison" all of a sudden, right?
Don't worry, "carbon taxes" will take care of it!
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I will not be taking one at all. It’s basically a flu shot for a virus so deadly you need a test to find out you have it and yet you still have to wear a mask afterwards and need multiple shots after. Something seems very sketchy to me, and I’m not buying it
Enzo, you forgot the point that the "test" they give you to see if you have it was not designed to be used as such and with the "standard" number of DNA replications they use (which is described as scientific heresy by many geneticists world wide) their test shows a high degree of false-positives, thus making the push for everyone to be vaccinated with an "experimental" mRNA type of concoction seem reasonable to the scared to death, mainstream media programmed Covidiots.
 

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Interesting that when a scientist changes a view it is considered a bad thing by lay people.

That's how science works folks!

Cue the "The Theory of Relativity is just a theory" folks in three...two...one...
This has been, to say the least, an interesting thread. To those of you on the "Anti" side (anti-vax, anti-science, anti-government (Federal, State, or local), anti (fill in your nationality, religion, race creed, food, drink, car, etc., etc.) what those of us who do believe say is of no relevance to you. And that's Ok, really, it is. You have your point of view and we have ours.

The only thing that may change or modify your position is if a family member or close friend contracts the virus and suffers from it, or worse dies from it (with or without underlying illnesses). Or you know a person that has had and recovered from the virus and still has lingering effects from it months after they have "survived" it (that would be my wife).

In hope this doesn't happen to you. I would rather you hold your positions than go through what hundreds of thousands families have had to go through. I wish illness and death on no one. I also wish that everyone on here would maybe, just maybe soften their opinions just enough to stop the insults and hear what the other side is saying.
 

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What? He went on a vacation that was planned in advance. So rake him over the coals.
..... it's all part of the class warfare the socialists foment...
Damn You for using sound logic!
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Are you serious? His state was in the middle of a serious emergency and as a leader his duty was to stay there to help his people.... not to go in vacation in Mexico.....and he lied and USED his own daughters to deflect the heat..: what a scum bag
Captain to the passengers: ship is sinking and I would love to stay but I promised my kids that I will take them for a vacation and because I’m a good dad I’m leaving now
Honestly, WTF was he supposed to do anyway?
He's a Senator, not the Almighty!
Doesn't a governor run a state?
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The only thing that may change or modify your position is if a family member or close friend contracts the virus and suffers from it
to the contrary in my case - all too familiar with medical malpractice under direct legal threat, that nearly cost them their life vs finding a doc who did the right thing. My brother got his Pfizer jab recently (he's only 47) and was proud of it. I told him he was nuts. we'll see who dies first.
 

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Some context.
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By far the large majority of deaths came from nursing homes.

Why do so many people disagree with the idea of examining mass vaccination for longer term outcomes in young people before recommending to everyone? Is this even a pandemic?

For reference the flu kills about 500k every year but testing is much different so the number could actually rival Corona if using the same standards. IE a death is considered a flu death if the person dies within 60 days of getting the flu.
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