Covid Shots

[CJJon]

Hello; OK without details. (1) those having survived covid infection do not take vaccine. (2) Take only one one vaccine shot and not two. (3) Give an antibody test before a vaccine. Those with positive antibodies do not need vaccine.

1. Immunity varies greatly and is not as predictable or as safe as the vaccine.
2. This is not recommended and will confer less protection and is contrary to the recommendations based on the phased research studies.
3. Too costly and antibody tests are not that accurate and is not a way to gauge immunity.

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[K4fxd]

As you are aware, the antibody titers wane over time

Depends on the study you choose to be fact.

 

[CJJon]

Depends on the study you choose to be fact.

Wrong. It’s a common fact. No study needed.

 

[MagicMike]

Depends on the study you choose to be fact.

Don't be obtuse. I am engaging in a real discussion with you. As per your request my good sir. Leave the purposeful stupidity at the door please.

 

[MagicMike]

Depends on the study you choose to be fact.

Despite your intentional ignorance...I will still engage on the level you initially requested.

Now please send me the published article you are citing to back your claim that - COVID-19 antibody (titer) levels do NOT decrease over time.

 

[Burkey]

Depends on the study you choose to be fact.

Which is why we allow trained medical professionals to analyse the data through a process of peer-review.

I could probably present to you a raw statistic that shows 20% of motorcycle accidents happen in corners thereby implying to the lay person that the straight bits are actually vastly more dangerous.

I could probably also point you to a study where it was decided that being thrown clear of a vehicle in a collision was actually safer than being inside it. This of course ignores the advances in technology that now make the interior the safest place to be.

Data changes over time.
Let the professionals work it out.

 

[K4fxd]

Now please send me the published article you are citing to back your claim that - COVID-19 antibody (titer) levels do NOT decrease over time.

sk47 posted links to studies and one claimed after 8 months the test group still had anti-bodies.

The way our immune systems work is once we get a virus and fight it off our body remembers that virus and attacks it if it ever sees it again. I see no reason this virus is any different.

The common cold is a corona virus and we get immunity when we catch that particular virus. One reason kids get many colds and older people do not. We have been exposed to most of them as we age.

 

[MagicMike]

I get the notion that being on the opposite side of some political or social divide make a person an open target. What has been a puzzle to me is how some keep referring as to how they care so much for the health of others, but dismiss some ideas that might actually save lives.

Bro are you a narcissist? It's time you ditch your woe-is-me pity party. You need to put your big girl pants on.

I'm a registered Republican but I have common sense and medical knowledge. I don't know what political leaning you have but I can take a damn good guess which makes me outright ashamed of my own political party.

You make yourself a target with your intentionally outlandish comments. Your "ideas" are mediocre and have many limitations. Your ideas are not God's gift to the world. Stop acting like you're something special.

 

[MagicMike]

sk47 posted links to studies and one claimed after 8 months the test group still had anti-bodies.

The way our immune systems work is once we get a virus and fight it off our body remembers that virus and attacks it if it ever sees it again. I see no reason this virus is any different.

The common cold is a corona virus and we get immunity when we catch that particular virus. One reason kids get many colds and older people do not. We have been exposed to most of them as we age.

Ahhh. This is the point where your stance disintegrates. The old "sk47 posted..." this and that. When sk47 marches over the cliff I'm sure you'll be close behind.

Here's a tip for future discussions. When you say you are going to do some reading and research. You should ACTUALLY do your own reading and research. Otherwise you look foolish my friend.

Your statements are laughable and pure opinion. You are hardly the immunologist you think you are. I hope your family takes your keys before the dementia worsens.

 

[RichGT350R]

Wow. A car forum looking for vaccine advise, take (2) shots of E85 and call me in the morning. Do what ever you are comfortable with.

 

[K4fxd]

This is the point where your stance disintegrates. The old "sk47 posted..." this and that

I'm not going to go back through posts to find a link you are perfectly capable of looking up yourself. Frankly I really don't care what you think. I know what I think and I think what I do due to my education and advise from medical professionals.

I believe the posted study was from the National Institute of Health

 

[DrumReaper]

Lol... this is a conundrum of funniness. I lol when people label mRNA-based antiviral hopes “vaccines”.

 

[sk47]

Hello; Let me address the survivors immunity level. From what I have read there is some level of immunity from being a survivor. My understanding is very few have become re-infected and among those the cases were very mild or asymptomatic. I figure it is much like any pathogen we have an immunity reaction for.
Say you have had an infection for anything our immune system can produce an immune response for. For some time following the recovery there will continue to be active immune agents in place such as antibodies. Turns out antibodies can be tested for. If you have antibodies present and someone sneezes a load of the same pathogen on you then the antibodies + T cells and all are already in place and can start dealing with the pathogen.
If some time has passed and the antibody count is reduced when you next run across the pathogen there may not be enough to wipe out the pathogen immediately. The body does keep a "record" and can start making the antibodies quickly. You may have the pathogen/virus invade a few cells but very quickly the immune reaction catches up and takes care of business. That is the way it has worked for a very long time. We usually don't even know there was a second exposure.

A vaccine or natural immunity is not like a rain coat which keep the virus away. It is a mechanism which deals with the pathogen after we run into it again and again and again. The immunity from one shot of vaccine may not be perfect but should keep a person from having a bad illness if exposed. Same should be for the natural immunity. One point which seems important to this discussion is the "emergency" part of this pandemic emergency. We are already injecting a vaccine which has had much reduced testing protocols into millions of people because it is an emergency procedure.

Old SK47 is not going to walk off a cliff. I was ready to skip the vaccine had my antibody test been positive. A positive antibody test would have been an indicator of having had the infection and recovered.

 

[CJJon]

Lol... this is a conundrum of funniness. I lol when people label mRNA-based antiviral hopes “vaccines”.

Snort! And all those stupid people who think the Earth is a round!

 

[CJJon]

Sniped stuff...

Old SK47 is not going to walk off a cliff. I was ready to skip the vaccine had my antibody test been positive. A positive antibody test would have been an indicator of having had the infection and recovered.

Ah, there is the rub. Yes, a positive test would tell if you had the infection (the test is not perfect though) however, it would not tell you much about individual immune response. Some people have a very robust response, others not so much. You really can't see the flaw in your logic?

One thing to remember, smarter people than you or I have thought about all of this. You are not coming up with any novel ideas. The problem is when people like you cast suspicions on the process (and the people involved with it) it causes others to lose faith and join the din of dissent. Round and round things go and then we have a not insignificant number of kooks who are refusers and the pandemic persists.

We really need to all be on board with this and trust the experts and the process. All of those that think they know better (or just can never be told what to do) will be the ruin of us all. If not now, then someday soon.

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