Covid Shots

[CJJon]

Except when it comes to covid and HCQ.

Wrong. We follow the evidence.

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[K4fxd]

I don't care if HCQ works or not. Threatening a Dr with losing his license for prescribing it is not only political I call it criminal.

I have Crones, my Dr has written several off lable medicines before we found a combo that works. His license was not politically threatened for doing so.

 

[shogun32]

Not to mention we have this kind of fun and joyful developments. Still preliminary and take with a good pinch of salt. But if it proves up or worse, whaddaya going to do then? "Booster shots" till you die?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pfizer-modernas-covid-19-shots-174512012.html

The percentage of protective antibodies that neutralized the variant - called B.1.351, which has been recorded in 20 US states - was 12.4 fold lower for Moderna's COVID-19 shot than against the original coronavirus, and 10.3 fold lower for Pfizer's, the study authors said.

This was a bigger drop than in previous lab studies testing the vaccines against manufactured forms of the variant, they said. For this study, the researchers used real forms of the variant taken from people who had caught the virus.

The researchers found that the antibody activity from both vaccines was "essentially unchanged" against the variant first found in the UK, B.1.1.7. There are 3,037 reported cases in the US of B.1.1.7, the CDC said, and experts believe it will soon become the dominant strain in the US.

B.1.351 was first detected in South Africa in October 2020. It has since spread to 42 countries, including to the US, where it is circulating in at least 20 states, including California and Texas, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said. There are 81 reported cases of B.1.351 in the US overall, the CDC said.

The scientists, from Columbia University, also tested lab-made viruses that had certain mutations. They said that one specific mutation, E484K, appeared to be a "major contributor" to the B.1.351 variant's ability to evade the antibody response. E484K is not usually present in B.1.1.7, the variant first found in the UK.

 

[CJJon]

Not to mention we have this kind of fun and joyful developments. Still preliminary and take with a good pinch of salt. But if it proves up or worse, whaddaya going to do then? "Booster shots" till you die?

Yes

 

[CJJon]

I don't care if HCQ works or not. Threatening a Dr with losing his license for prescribing it is not only political I call it criminal.

Reference? I tried a search for evidence of anyone being threatened with loss of license, but could not find it. Was it at the state level perhaps?

 

[K4fxd]

It was at one of Dr faucci's press conferences.

 

[shogun32]

It does not work to treat covid though. Why take the risk (which is not zero) for no benefit?

wow! So piss off an die? Covid is a death sentence and medicine has no answer for you? Seems to me I remember the community looked for any way to deal with Ebola. By your so-called rationale should have just dropped a MOAB on the hotspot and moved on.

Your so-called team hasn't bothered to read ANY of the several hundred papers, reports and testimony of your fellow Americans practicing in the USA (let alone doctors the world over) who have shown remarkable success in treating Covid?

You gotta be trollin'! Or your medical team deserve to be lined up against the closest wall.

 

[shogun32]

I tried a search for evidence of anyone being threatened with loss of license, but could not find it. Was it at the state level perhaps?

KEERRISSSTTT you're the most clueless person on the damn planet if that's true. My god. No less than 5 govenors made public statements on TV that any doctor prescribing HCQ/Iver for Covid would be investigated and stripped of license. the AMA itself put out a press release to that effect as well.

 

[K4fxd]

KEERRISSSTTT you're the most clueless person on the damn planet if that's true. My god. No less than 5 govenors made public statements on TV that any doctor prescribing HCQ/Iver for Covid would be investigated and stripped of license. the AMA itself put out a press release to that effect as well.

He only hears what he wants to hear.

 

[CJJon]

It was at one of Dr faucci's press conferences.

Well, that will be hard to track down but I did find this:

https://www.michigancapitolconfiden...s-dr-fauci-on-off-label-coronavirus-treatment

Where Fauci said this regarding HCQ:

"Yeah, of course, particularly if people have no other option. These drugs are approved drugs for other reasons. They're anti-malaria drugs, and they're drugs against certain autoimmune diseases like lupus. Physicians throughout the country can prescribe that in an off-label way. Which means they can write it for something it was not approved for."

I also agree with the letter than the Michigan Licensing Bureau sent. They should lose licensure for inappropriately prescribing hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine to themselves, family, friends, and/or coworkers without a legitimate medical purpose.

 

[K4fxd]

Conclusions
In this retrospective observational study of SARS-CoV-2 infected non-hospitalized patients hydroxychloroquine exposure was associated with a decreased rate of subsequent hospitalization. Additional exploration of hydroxychloroquine in this mildly symptomatic outpatient population is warranted.

https://bmcinfectdis.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12879-021-05773-w

 

[K4fxd]

Michigan’s Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs has warned physicians and pharmacists they are breaking state laws if they prescribe or dispense the drugs hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine for coronavirus patients.

https://www.michigancapitolconfiden...s-dr-fauci-on-off-label-coronavirus-treatment

 

[K4fxd]

The Food and Drug Administration on Monday revoked its already controversial emergency use decision for the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine — an eyebrow-raising reversal that has sweeping implications for how America responds to Covid-19.


The decision, which flies in the face of President Trump’s own touting of the medicine as a treatment for Covid-19, is more than just a stunning rebuke of a president by his own administration

https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/16/hydroxychloroquine-emergency-use-patients-politicians/

Pure politics.

 

[shogun32]

and they're drugs against certain autoimmune diseases like lupus.

hello! inflamation anyone? FraudXi himself didn't necessarily say you would be investigated. But the governors and/or their 'medical advisors' sure did and they also threatened the pharmacies.

There was a very small "concern" that if mass panic overtook the sheeple that there would be a massive run on HCQ et. al. and those with legitimate need (eg. Lupis) would not have supply to have their "more legitimate" scripts filled. Ok, no biggie. There are solutions to that that don't involve outright denial of medical treatment. But that's not what they did, is it? No, they mocked and discredited HCQ thru deliberately contrived studies.

Oh but what happened when they trotted out the 'masks work' line? HUGE demand for masks and what happened? Product disappeared the world over. And the medical staff panic'd so FraudXi walked back his assertion so the Medical Heros would have masks. Then supply showed up right damn quick. Sure it might have been predictably fraudulent product from our loving friends the Chinese but who cares about such minutia.

If HCQ was indeed the drug to "save us all" don't you think Merck, Pfizer, Eli, Takeda, and a bunch of others could have figured out a way to within a couple weeks flood the streets with HCQ pills? Isn't that how you "save" people instead of shrugging your shoulders and tell grandma so sorry, it's time you died anyway? So what if maybe HCQ only managed to save 70%. That's heella better than 0-5%. Heck let's look at Remdisivir, why wasn't everyone and their grandma on the stuff as soon as significant disease manifested itself? In the early days FroudXi was sure it was plenty effective, right? The call should have been Remdisivir for one and all...

You think NOT ONE doctor who had a practice of treating Lupis noticed hey, none of my people are coming down with Covid? Or those taking inhaled steroids for things like Asthma?

 

[CJJon]

Michigan’s Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs has warned physicians and pharmacists they are breaking state laws if they prescribe or dispense the drugs hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine for coronavirus patients.

https://www.michigancapitolconfiden...s-dr-fauci-on-off-label-coronavirus-treatment

No they didn't. Did you even read the letter?

" The Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs has received multiple allegations of Michigan physicians inappropriately prescribing hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine to themselves, family, friends, and/or coworkers without a legitimate medical purpose. "

Emphasis mine. They were hoarding the damn pills and people who really needed them for legit purposes could not get them.

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