Comparisons between GT350 and GT with PP

[Teezlr]

Its always a compromise isn't it!

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[J_Maher_AMG]

I think the correct answer for him is a Cayman GT4, wouldn't mind having one myself.

A GT4 would be amazing, but not that fun on the street IMO. It has tall gearing, 2nd redlines at 80mph or therabouts, basically the same as the GT350 but with a lot less torque.

Honestly if the C7 didn't cut it, in regards to it having lots of torque, great handling, sound, size, weight, etc. then you won't find the Mustang appealing due to its size and weight. Probably won't like a GT350 that is never near redline and never able to use its powerband.

IMO sounds like you have to sacrifice the NA aspect. A NEW 911 would be perfect for you in regards to the precision, fit and finish, looks, low-end torque, etc. but without the extra volume from the exhaust which can be fixed in the aftermarket.

 

[baege]

Cayman isn't torquey at low RPMs and the C7 is, so I'm going to throw out that one as not really being important to you.
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Maybe you should try a 911. It's like the Cayman - only slightly larger, but with more power. It has the same library interior where you can barely hear the engine, the same small engine with no power down low and no torque (well slightly more power and torque than a Cayman, but still much less than a Mustang), the same super skinny doors, the same dated electronics, etc.

Edit: maybe try an M2 as well. It isn't naturally aspirated, but it might have some other intangibles you are looking for.

low rpm torque is actually what I love, and that is something missing in the cayman that has me looking elsewhere and prompted my move to the C7. But throttle response on the C7 is weak, there is a perceptible lag, due to the torque management system.

I am going to try a 991. 1 911S, the 991.1 911 base actually feels weaker than my 981S.

I may try a m2 but I suspect there is turbo lag which I detest

 

[baege]

I think the correct answer for him is a Cayman GT4, wouldn't mind having one myself.

definitely thought about it, but they are at 40k over MSRP here in Canada so, 140k cdn which buys a lot of car...I can't bring myself to pay almost double for a car that my car is already 80% of...

 

[Voodooo]

What are you doing with your cars anyhow? I never heard of someone so undecided before. You've tried all these cars and can't seem to find one to make you happy. Why not go with a Tesla then. Low RPM, lots of torque, fast. I mean seriously you seem to only keep the car for a year or two anyhow.

 

[Hack]

low rpm torque is actually what I love, and that is something missing in the cayman that has me looking elsewhere and prompted my move to the C7. But throttle response on the C7 is weak, there is a perceptible lag, due to the torque management system.

I am going to try a 991. 1 911S, the 991.1 911 base actually feels weaker than my 981S.

I may try a m2 but I suspect there is turbo lag which I detest

Turbos do always take a bit to kick in, but they give a LOT of lower RPM torque. Isn't there a new Cayman with a turbo 4 in it? You might try it just to see what it's like.

 

[dron_jones]

This thread reminds me of when my wife wants to go out for dinner:
Her: "im hungry lets go for dinner"
me: " sure where do you want to go"
her: "doesn't matter where do you want to go"
me: "lets go for mexican"
her: "no its too spicy"
me: "what about japanese?"
her: "No I don't want any fish"
me: "ok what about a steakhouse"
her: "no i want something light"
me" "i give up what do you want to eat?"
her: "doesn't matter where do you want to go?"

me: runs head first into the wall in the kitchen to make the pain go away

 

[torque124]

This thread reminds me of when my wife wants to go out for dinner:
Her: "im hungry lets go for dinner"
me: " sure where do you want to go"
her: "doesn't matter where do you want to go"
me: "lets go for mexican"
her: "no its too spicy"
me: "what about japanese?"
her: "No I don't want any fish"
me: "ok what about a steakhouse"
her: "no i want something light"
me" "i give up what do you want to eat?"
her: "doesn't matter what do you want to go?"

me: runs head first into the wall in the kitchen to make the pain go away

:lol:

 

[torque124]

I also tend to change cars very quickly, I mean I owned a 14 GT500, a 2010 M5 and now the GT350 in a 3 years span. I miss the GT500.

I think you should buy the GT350, I was a bit hesitant too as I wanted a precise weapon for track and off track like an M3 or M2 would be, but the Shelby delivered. In spades.

The Cayman GT4 is a very interesting car, I would not mind giving it a go for a while. It has 800 less pounds than the GT350, and even with over 100 HP deficit, should be a hoon to drive.

Good luck.

 

[Mike02z]

low rpm torque is actually what I love, and that is something missing in the cayman that has me looking elsewhere and prompted my move to the C7. But throttle response on the C7 is weak, there is a perceptible lag, due to the torque management system.

I am going to try a 991. 1 911S, the 991.1 911 base actually feels weaker than my 981S.

I may try a m2 but I suspect there is turbo lag which I detest

The throttle response can be changed with a tune. The delay was intentional. Throttle response can be adjusted so that when to touch the gas it has no lag. Throttle response has nothing to do with low end torque. The C7 is a torque monster down low. The GT350 has low torque until you hit 3500 RPM. It improves but still flattens out more than the C7. The 8250 red line gives you much better high rev HP.

I agree with the others that if the C7 is overweight, forget about any Mustang.

I don't necessarily agree that the C7 is better in the twisty's. If you get a C7 with MRC, it probably is but I had a Z51 without MRC and in my opinion, my GT350 is more stable in turns than my C7 was. Of course the GT350 does have MRC. I was very surprised at how well the GT350 sticks when compared to my C7 when it was stock. After mods, forget it. 1st gear was useless.

 

[Spacebird]

I always found myself preferring light weight nimble vehicles, but the GT350 is the exception to that rule. It's just so much fun to drive!

Agreed. The GT-R and GT350(R) are phenomenally nimble despite their weight. But while the GT-R drives like a video game, the GT350 is incredibly engaging and visceral.

 

[nastang87xx]

Cayman isn't torquey at low RPMs and the C7 is, so I'm going to throw out that one as not really being important to you.

If the C7 isn't small or precise enough you don't want a GT350. The GT350 is bigger and less precise than a C7.

I think Porsches are boring with not enough low end torque (and also not enough high end power). I agree that the size of a Porsche is excellent - much better than a Mustang. I also don't like the engine over the drive wheels. The car is way too hooked up for me. I prefer how a big V8 can overpower the rear wheels and cause you to have to be careful about when and where you apply full throttle.

Maybe you should try a 911. It's like the Cayman - only slightly larger, but with more power. It has the same library interior where you can barely hear the engine, the same small engine with no power down low and no torque (well slightly more power and torque than a Cayman, but still much less than a Mustang), the same super skinny doors, the same dated electronics, etc.

Edit: maybe try an M2 as well. It isn't naturally aspirated, but it might have some other intangibles you are looking for.

Actually my man, I think that's kinda changing with the low end torque thing. Aren't the new turbo 911's absolute torque monsters? And the M2 has a lot of low end grunt. We're definitely seeing a transcendence here or at least at some point was supposed to. You guys know that Chevy wanted to do a 7.4L high revving V8 NA motor for the Z06 originally? Yes, SEVEN POINT FOUR. It was scrapped because it couldn't meet emissions and low end requirements. It basically was either pass emissions and have no low end nutsack or not pass and have okay torque, less than the LS7 in fact, but...you still didn't pass.

 

[Strokerswild]

911 Turbo. End thread.

The 0-60 times on these suggest there's plenty of low end grunt. I wish I could afford one, have lusted for one since I was a kid and I'm pushing 48.

 

[Zcobra1]

Agree, 911 turbo....torque monster and all around great car.
Daily driver, trips, dinner, awd, best single car that covers all.

Or Viper.....a lot more single purpose, but you will have that torque...

 

[Hack]

Actually my man, I think that's kinda changing with the low end torque thing. Aren't the new turbo 911's absolute torque monsters? And the M2 has a lot of low end grunt. We're definitely seeing a transcendence here or at least at some point was supposed to. You guys know that Chevy wanted to do a 7.4L high revving V8 NA motor for the Z06 originally? Yes, SEVEN POINT FOUR. It was scrapped because it couldn't meet emissions and low end requirements. It basically was either pass emissions and have no low end nutsack or not pass and have okay torque, less than the LS7 in fact, but...you still didn't pass.

Yep. I know turbos give lots of low end torque. I think I already posted that in this thread. He says he doesn't want a turbo, but I agree with you that he should try it. I know the automakers are constantly working to reduce lag.

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