Clutchless shift M6 2018 GT

[MadCow]

You can shift any manual trans without the clutch, but only as fast as the revs fall and match the next gear. If you are good at it, it can save some clutch wear, but nobodies 100% so the occasional mistimed shift and grind do accelerate wear on the trans parts.

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[DarkHor$e]

Perhapps 'Brainless Shift' would of been a more accurate moniker. :headbonk:

 

[Lime1GT]

Before synchronized transmission were made shifting was made by matching the gear speed of the the next gear, whether raising rpm to meet a lower gear or lowering rpm to meet a higher gear ratio. Synchronize-rs made the shift easier, with them speeding up or lowering the rpm themselves to help engage the next gear. So you can shift with out a clutch as long as you rev to match a lower gear, say 2-1 or let the rpm drop to find, say 2-3. The gears are harder to match on a car since they rev fast and cover up to 6000 rpm where as a transport truck usually revs to around 2500 rpm giving more time to match rpm to speed.

 

[v8hgt]

It’s a technique that should be reserved for hire cars. Works great on fiat 500’s and pandas etc which don’t have enough power to damage anything if you get the Rev matching wrong and gain revs slowly anyway, giving you more time to match well. Doing it on your own mustang would require brave pills

 

[MaxHedrm]

I was able to do it in the right circumstances in the Golf TDI. Almost as much Torque as the Mustang. :lol: As others have said, it's all about matching revs. I doubt he did that.

The 2019 might almost do it since it auto rev matches, but it probably doesn't know to do that until you put in the clutch.

 

[Red Turtle]

Changing gears is as simple as having the engine speed match the speed of the next gear and the shifter drops right in when matched. No grinding or damage. Pops taught me that back in the early 80's when I blew a clutch in my '67 Camaro.

Yep, my pops taught me the same thing as well. Really easy to do once you get the hang of it, and used to do it all the time back in the day when friends were in the car and they used to be like :eyebulge::eyebulge::eyebulge:, how did you do that.

 

[Ace]

The salesman is a moron! :lol:

No matter if the car has rev matching (MY2019) or no lift shift, you always have to use the clutch

 

[Bravo]

Is there any documentation stating that the MY2019 6MT will have no lift technology? That's news to me...though it wouldn't be shocking, as they're already building in a lot of ECM / throttle / gear sensing tech with the auto rev matching.

 

[Silver Bullitt]

I'm pretty sure no-lift shift was an added standard feature in the updated 6 speeds in MY18. My salesman is a Mustang purist and he mentioned it to me. While I tried three times on a test drive to no-lift shift, my brain could not get my foot not to lift every time. While it's not something I would ordinarily do (or in my case maybe something I can't physically make myself do), I'm pretty sure the MY18 manuals have this feature.

 

[hornedfrog]

I'm pretty sure no-lift shift was an added standard feature in the updated 6 speeds in MY18. My salesman is a Mustang purist and he mentioned it to me. While I tried three times on a test drive to no-lift shift, my brain could not get my foot not to lift every time. While it's not something I would ordinarily do (or in my case maybe something I can't physically make myself do), I'm pretty sure the MY18 manuals have this feature.

He sure found a clunk. Otherwise it shifted very smoothly when using the clutch. This just strikes me as odd on a new car that you are trying to sell. Gen Z buyer might not care?

 

[Silver Bullitt]

He sure found a clunk. Otherwise it shifted very smoothly when using the clutch. This just strikes me as odd on a new car that you are trying to sell. Gen Z buyer might not care?

I said no-lift (as in the gas pedal), not no-clutch. In a no-lift shift, you leave your right foot planted, but you still use the clutch to shift. The ECM just regulates throttle input while you're shifting.

 

[Bravo]

If you combine hill assist, 1st gear rev blipping, no-lift tech, and rev match technology, you've essentially built a slightly slower version of a dual clutch auto with a clutch pedal for the MY2019 6MT.

Purists will not really care, but this makes me happy - as someone who uses the +/- "manual" feature on a dual clutch daily, I often wish that I had a 3rd pedal, and that the shifter would do more than just bump up and down.

 

[Earlsays]

AS IF the MT82 can handle that...driving it like a granny can grenade the thing....but, yes, by all means...

 

[airfuel]

I’m surprised no one understands or talks about the new “no lift shift” that is standard on the 18 and up Mustangs.

It allows full throttle shifting without lifting off the gas. (Same as camaro).
Synchro boxes like the mustang do not tolerate clutchless shifting like motorcycles or old “crashbox” trannies. They are totally different and are designed for such action. It is very hard on synchros and not good to do at all. (Yes it can be done but not recommended)

Use the clutch, learn what no lift shift is about and enjoy your shifting. It is a bit of an art form that is very rewarding when understood and done correctly.

No wonder the MT 82 has a bad reputation, people abuse the crap out of them!

 

[TexasRebel]

They call that floating gears. Extremely common with tractors & other non-synchronized transmissions. Not "new".

I wouldn't recommend it on a synchromesh transmission because the synchros will mask anything you're doing wrong in the form of wear. ..of course then you'll get to know how to drive a non-synchronized transmission pretty well.

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