Chevy Camaro Chief Engineer on Mustang

[Silver Bullitt]

I know it's not quite the same thing, but those mid 2000's GTO are really impressive and VERY affordable. It's on my short list.

I sure miss my black/black M6 '05. Headers, intake, cam, and full exhaust, it was a mid 12 second car. The only problem was 275's were stuffed in the rear. It needed more traction. It had 41K miles and was mint when I got a wild hair and sold it last year. What a dumbass!

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[w3rkn]

Mustang needs a v6 turbo...

 

[Erik427]

Mustang needs a v6 turbo...

YES!!!!!!

 

[Hack]

Yuck! V6 - bleh.

I could get onboard for a V8 turbo or a big NA V8, though.

 

[2morrow]

To a certain extent their low end sales tactic will probably bear fruit and expose a younger generation to GM products. I'm sure there will be factory and aftermarket support as well.

However, The mid cycle refresh for the Camaro6 is just hideous. I agree with others stating that the G5 and G6 camaro wasn't a big difference but the V.6.2 is just bad.

FWIW, Ive warmed up to the Camaro V.6.1 but I'll stick with my '16 S550.

 

[sdiver68]

From the convertible point of view, I love that you can take the top down or up > 0mph and the trunk hides it (yes, I know, we have more trunk space). How many times it doesn't look like it's gonna rain and then - rain - and have to come to a complete stop on the side of the highway or at a red light to put the top

You can do that and more with the add-on Mustang convertible module.

 

[EcoVert]

This quote from the article really says it all

Karl Brauer, executive publisher of Autotrader and Kelley Blue Book

“It just doesn’t have the personality that the other two cars offer,” he said

Talking about Mustang and Challenger

 

[EcoVert]

Oppenheiser is dreaming

Chevy hopes the Camaro Turbo 1LE will appeal to those shopping hot hatchbacks like the
Honda Civic Type R and even cars like the Kia Stinger.

 

[JimG_AZ]

Looks like it still has all the visibility issues and cramped interior. When is GM going to wake up and realize that is their biggest issue with this car. I think they would have been better off using the second generation Camaro as the retro baseline rather than the first generation.

 

[clevernickname]

Why not both

 

[TnWHTMARE]

I had this decision to make back in March between a 6th Gen Camaro and Mustang. At the time I had a 5th Gen SS. I really liked my 5th Gen. I loved the styling(which, contrary to some, I think was what really helped it sell better..among other things of coarse). Theres no denying that the 6th gen is an awesome performance car. I think where GM dropped the ball was in the styling and daily driver challenges of the car.

Personally, I like the 6th gen styling but most people are going to prefer the styling of the Mustang. Unlike the 5th to 6th Gen Camaro, which was more of an evolution, the 5th to 6th Gen Mustang was a complete transformation and one that stylistically appeals to more than just the most hard core crowd. As awesome as the 6th Gen Camaro is, I think the styling and general "lack of ease" of daily use (poor visibility, tighter cabin, etc...) is what is hurting it. And its unfortunate because it is an awesome car otherwise. This "price adjustment" reaction, in my opinion, is not going to solve the fundamental problems. Nor is this current re-fresh, no matter what your opinion of it is.

And again, I'm speaking from the standpoint primarily of the masses and not the enthusiast. Although these are still factors for a "?" percentage of enthusiasts.

 

[lsiunsuex]

I had this decision to make back in March between a 6th Gen Camaro and Mustang. At the time I had a 5th Gen SS. I really liked my 5th Gen. I loved the styling(which, contrary to some, I think was what really helped it sell better..among other things of coarse). Theres no denying that the 6th gen is an awesome performance car. I think where GM dropped the ball was in the styling and daily driver challenges of the car.

Personally, I like the 6th gen styling but most people are going to prefer the styling of the Mustang. Unlike the 5th to 6th Gen Camaro, which was more of an evolution, the 5th to 6th Gen Mustang was a complete transformation and one that stylistically appeals to more than just the most hard core crowd. As awesome as the 6th Gen Camaro is, I think the styling and general "lack of ease" of daily use (poor visibility, tighter cabin, etc...) is what is hurting it. And its unfortunate because it is an awesome car otherwise. This "price adjustment" reaction, in my opinion, is not going to solve the fundamental problems. Nor is this current re-fresh, no matter what your opinion of it is.

And again, I'm speaking from the standpoint primarily of the masses and not the enthusiast. Although these are still factors for a "?" percentage of enthusiasts.

The masses drive sales for sure, but I think it's the enthusiasts that drum up interest. With instagram, facebook, twitter, etc... seeing photos of modified mustangs or camaros help drive sales also.

Going back to my question from earlier - where is the aftermarket support? Who are the major supplier of parts?

We (my son and I) started looking at a Jeep Wrangler for his first car and I'll use it as a winter car - The current model is only 1 year old? (2?) Already there are a ton of aftermarket parts for it, making it appealing for him because he'll want to modify it like we've modified my mustang.

So - chicken and egg - what drives parts / interest? The actual car and it's reputation or sales? The masses will buy it because they like how it looks and performs, the enthusiasts will buy it for the aftermarket selection and help drive sales...

 

[fkscreennames]

Al also made it seem like the 4 banger is outselling the V8 by a wide margin, which is not true. I believe almost half the Mustang’s sold are 5.0 w/ a few being the GT350/R.

 

[TnWHTMARE]

The masses drive sales for sure, but I think it's the enthusiasts that drum up interest. With instagram, facebook, twitter, etc... seeing photos of modified mustangs or camaros help drive sales also.

Going back to my question from earlier - where is the aftermarket support? Who are the major supplier of parts?

We (my son and I) started looking at a Jeep Wrangler for his first car and I'll use it as a winter car - The current model is only 1 year old? (2?) Already there are a ton of aftermarket parts for it, making it appealing for him because he'll want to modify it like we've modified my mustang.

So - chicken and egg - what drives parts / interest? The actual car and it's reputation or sales? The masses will buy it because they like how it looks and performs, the enthusiasts will buy it for the aftermarket selection and help drive sales...

Their suppliers? Texas Speed, Janetty Racing, Brian Tooley Racing,JDP performance, Vengeance Racing, RDP, BMR, GPI, Livernois, RPM,...just to name a few...

 

[Colleton]

Al also made it seem like the 4 banger is outselling the V8, which is not true. I believe almost half the Mustang’s sold are 5.0 w/ a few being the GT350/R.

I have a hard time believing that nearly half the Mustangs currently sold are V8s. Before the ecoboost, the V6 far outsold the GT. It's always been that way. The smaller engined car is cheaper but still looks great (read: fast), women and young people buying the V6 for their sporty car is what has kept the Mustang alive for 50+ years.

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