Cavalli Turbo......

[Biffosaur]

It wasn't a poke? I'm sorry, I guess I made a mistake in assuming so. I figured it was seeing you have followed me post to post asking about our dyno. I'll be sure to let the 1000's of manufacturers that use unloaded Dynojet dyno's for their testing, to stop being successful now and only use the track to prove their products. In light of this new information, you guys down south should be happy to know that more performance manufacturers and tuners are heading your way to use your year-round tracks! Maybe if we would of used a loaded dyno to tune our 4g64 4cyl powered RX7 we would of went 8.0 instead of 8.1. But that could only be answered with factual data to prove that theory.

Anyways regarding cracked powder metal rods, we are aware of their capabilities and we are also aware on how to tune accordingly. If you missed our EBM FB group post we bought a spare motor before we even posted any dynographs, disassembled it and documented the pro's and con's of these engines from the start. Of all the EBM's, FoST's, and other weak rod engines I have tuned in house or E-tuned, not a single one has had a failure. The life of the customer's motor is in the hands of their tuner. For MY customers they are in my hands and I take full responsibility for their vehicle.

We are very much off topic, and I feel bad that I haven't contributed more to the actual topic. As I mentioned in a previous post I'm going to grab some more information from Cavalli and share it. I believe BGolden from RIP is working with them directly on testing the turbo, I look forward to his post!

Shots fired! Everybody get down! opcorn:



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Just wanted to add...I think you two should each build a stock block 2.3l and see who's is fastest.

Same suspension, same weight, same tires, and even....a tamed racing driver...

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[neodark]

I think you two should each build a stock block 2.3l and see who's is fastest.

Same suspension, same weight, same tires, and even....a tamed racing driver...

THe stig may be up for grabs soon, or you can always ask Jeremy. I hear he's free now

 

[JJ@WMS]

I only avoided your question to avoid a dyno conversation like this with you. People arguing over what dyno is better has been an ongoing debate for 10+ years, and definitely not an argument that I wish to spend my time on. With experience on tuning many different platforms on may different dynos, its very easy for me to know what I can and cannot do on my dyno. I have a limit set in my head for many parameters when calibrating a car on our dyno, because I know when it goes out onto the street it's going to be slightly different. I guess you missed my comment where I said I finalize every tune on the street.

Every Accessport we sell comes with one of my tunes as an added bonus. I don't email the tune file to them until they receive the Accessport, and we have a conversation about the modifications on their car and the quality of fuel in their area. They log what I request, and I make adjustments as needed. I am personally checking every tune I email out to each customer before I give them the OK to let it rip. Again, my customers vehicle is my responsibility the second they load my tune onto their Accessport and plug it into their car. It is my job to make sure the products I am offering are going to keep the customers engine healthy, so i'm literally custom tuning multiple EBM's a day that are being driven on the street with my products, other products like yours, and even completely stock EBM's. This allows me to know how these vehicles respond in different locations in the world, with different types of fuel, and at different elevations. So, I don't just have experience with just one Mustang, in one location, on one type of fuel, on one type of dyno. I'm simply using our dyno as a tool just like you mentioned, to show where our products are exceeding the performance of the factory units, and to give me a better idea on how to answer the question "How much power will I be making with XXX and XXX?" The question I get multiple times a day.

Regarding your fueling comment "we have over 400 dyno runs on our EBM with no problem fueling". First, its actually 600+ runs now ;), and I don't have a problem with fueling on our dyno nor do I have a problem fueling on the street. My logs from our car, customers cars, and even other shop's cars that I have tuned, all are showing me no signs of fueling issues on E10/E30/E85 with my changes. Even Cobb has stated they aren't near running out of fuel just yet.

I'm very jealous of you though JJ, you are fortunate enough to have tracks that were open during your ownership of the EBM. Since we have had our car, the temperature has never been about 40 degree's and there is still snow in front of my shop.

The statements in bold type above are what I would like to discuss.

No problems with fueling on E85 on your car, customers cars and other shops cars yet not one mention of any of those cars doing anything power wise or track wise and yes I understand your still snowed in but there has to be some customers somewhere in the United States that have good weather, can run E85 and your tune and provide some results right?:doh:

I look forward to the upcoming E85 track times.

JJ

 

[Ron@cp-e]

so much drama already for cars barely making 400 to the wheels and running best of high 11'sopcorn:
I guess things will get really interesting when nice weather hits the east coast

 

[mbreinin]

I had no issues with fueling at 29.7 psi on the stock turbo. I only had issues with the rods keeping up

I ran out fuel several times in the cold pushing 28-29 psi. Enough to rattle it.

Mike

 

[Juben]

I ran out fuel several times in the cold pushing 28-29 psi. Enough to rattle it.

Mike

Did that not cause any damage? I'd be afraid of doing that.

 

[Apwrx]

I ran out fuel several times in the cold pushing 28-29 psi. Enough to rattle it.

Mike

I keep hearing this but you and 1 other both with sct tune are the only ones ive heard of. You sure it wasn't a tuning issue?
Also why were you pushing that much boost to run a 12.8 on a sticky tire?

 

[MAPerformance]

The statements in bold type above are what I would like to discuss.

No problems with fueling on E85 on your car, customers cars and other shops cars yet not one mention of any of those cars doing anything power wise or track wise and yes I understand your still snowed in but there has to be some customers somewhere in the United States that have good weather, can run E85 and your tune and provide some results right?:doh:

I look forward to the upcoming E85 track times.

JJ

I haven't released e85 tunes to the public yet. I'm developing them locally, and with another customer/shop that is still waiting for his tracks to open as well. Trust me, I want track times as much as you do, I have been asking multiple customers to get to the track but I can't hold a gun to their head haha. I can't wait for the tracks to open statewide and see the run times start pouring in on the forums here!

 

[mbreinin]

Did that not cause any damage? I'd be afraid of doing that.

You are wise to be afraid.

For the record. I agree with JJ regarding dynos. They are a decent tuning tool, but they don't load the car correctly and I always have to make tune adjustments after I dyno my serious cars. I have basically given up on them. I get the tune in the safe zone, with enough EGO control to keep me out of real trouble, and I head to the track for real life, real load tests and adjustments.

Mike

 

[Apwrx]

You are wise to be afraid.

For the record. I agree with JJ regarding dynos. They are a decent tuning tool, but they don't load the car correctly and I always have to make tune adjustments after I dyno my serious cars. I have basically given up on them. I get the tune in the safe zone, with enough EGO control to keep me out of real trouble, and I head to the track for real life, real load tests and adjustments.

Mike

Thankfully I don't ever plan on running 29 psi with the stock turbo and only an intake, :headbonk:thats asking for trouble imo.E specially with an intake as the only other mod.i know you have some very fast cars but the way you went at this one seems odd to me.

 

[mbreinin]

Thankfully I don't ever plan on running 29 psi with the stock turbo and only an intake, :headbonk:thats asking for trouble imo.E specially with an intake as the only other mod.i know you have some very fast cars but the way you went at this one seems odd to me.

I didn't tune it myself. And, yes, it ran out of fuel. You cannot run that much boost with the stock turbo and be supported by the fuel system, and especially in the cold.

 

[EcoSwag1990]

Thankfully I don't ever plan on running 29 psi with the stock turbo and only an intake, :headbonk:thats asking for trouble imo.E specially with an intake as the only other mod.i know you have some very fast cars but the way you went at this one seems odd to me.

It was really early in the game so now it seems odd but at the time there wasn't nearly as much information out on the car's weak points, or as many available aftermarket options. That is a lot of boost over stock though

 

[mbreinin]

It was really early in the game so now it seems odd but at the time there wasn't nearly as much information out on the car's weak points, or as many available aftermarket options. That is a lot of boost over stock though

I have seen 22+ psi with the stock tune.

 

[JJ@WMS]

I haven't released e85 tunes to the public yet. I'm developing them locally, and with another customer/shop that is still waiting for his tracks to open as well.

But thats not what you said.

My logs from our car, customers cars, and even other shop's cars that I have tuned, all are showing me no signs of fueling issues on E10/E30/E85 with my changes.

If there are results using/tuning with E85 I'm sure everyone here would like to see them however I for one know for a fact that when running E85 you need 40% more fuel to make the same power as E10 and thats just not in the cards when it comes to what the stock fuel system can support and I know this because of testing our own car.

Like I said, I eagerly await the results.

JJ

 

[MAPerformance]

Originally Posted by MAPerformance View Post
I haven't released e85 tunes to the public yet. I'm developing them locally, and with another customer/shop that is still waiting for his tracks to open as well.

But thats not what you said.

Originally Posted by MAPerformance View Post
My logs from our car, customers cars, and even other shop's cars that I have tuned, all are showing me no signs of fueling issues on E10/E30/E85 with my changes.

If there are results using/tuning with E85 I'm sure everyone here would like to see them however I for one know for a fact that when running E85 you need 40% more fuel to make the same power as E10 and thats just not in the cards when it comes to what the stock fuel system can support and I know this because of testing our own car.

Like I said, I eagerly await the results.

JJ

It is what I said. You are making the assumption that every customer car I have tuned I tested all 3 fuel types on it. The cars I have tested e30/e85 on have been local, or for other shops that I do tuning for on the side, which I already stated. Not a single privately owned Mustang has received one of my E30/E85 tunes. Everything has been within a tight knit group until it is ready to release, same thing goes for the other products we are working on that aren't being displayed to the public, because they simply aren't worked out yet.

I'm sorry you are having fueling issues with your vehicle, I am not running into the same problems you guys are. I apologize.

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