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Dude, that 3580lbs is the Base GT weight as advertised by Ford. It was just reported and not actually weighed. The Brembo GT Car and Driver actually tested and weighed was 3672lbs w/o Recaro's.Geez, man. There is no dialoging with you. You seem to believe that quantity of info, equates with quality of info.
S197 Mustang GT Test Drive (Car and Driver): Curb Weight as tested - 3,580 lbs. I've seen it as high as 3,610. I put my car on the scales with the Brembo package and it was 3,604lbs.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2011-ford-mustang-gt-50-short-take-road-test
S197 Mustang Boss 302 (not LS) - Car and Driver test curb weight 3,666 lbs. That is the highest curb weight I have seen for any S197 GT/302 - so putting it here for completeness. (note that this is with 285 rear tires, torsen, etc).
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2012-ford-mustang-boss-302-test-review
S550 Mustang GT (Car and driver) curb weight: 3,810 lbs, which is consistent with all other magazine tests.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2015-ford-mustang-gt-instrumented-test-review
So S197 5.0 (3,580-3,666). S550 5.0 3,810. So looks like it is anywhere from 230lbs to 144lbs heavier. So roughly 200 lbs heavier. Why do you have to waste people's time arguing when you know it is so?
Yes I did. And every performance car now-a-days has a fast shifting performance auto-shifter. From the 911 GT3, to the Corvette Z06 to the Jaguar F-type to the M4, to the Challenger. And yes, the ATS-V and CTS-V have both been announced as having the GM 8L90 transmission as in the 2015 Corvette/Z06.
Why are you arguing? Some people prefer manual, some people prefer auto-shifter. And from all accounts the ZF 8-speed, the GM 8L90, the Porsche PDK, BMW DCT and the like are all good high-performance transmission, (I have driven being most of them) and are much faster and consistent on track than any manual.
That is why on the NASA GTS series where I race, auto-shifters are assessed a 0.2lb/HP penalty.
Again, why are you arguing with progress? Lots of people will pass on the GT350 simply because it has no auto-shifter. It is neither right, nor wrong. It simply is. Ford doesn't offer it, before they don't have access to one.
An ATS-V, CTS-V, Z51 or Z06 or Camaro with the 8L90 will be faster, more consistent and more accessible to more people than the equivalent manual Mustang - any day, every day.
Car and Driver weighed a FULLY LOADED GT PREMIUM with PERFORMANCE PACKAGE and it weighed 3814lbs. We have seen a GTPP with Recaro's weigh from 3714 to 3747lbs here and locally. Don't ask me why a Standard GT suppose to weigh 3705lbs while a GTPP only weighs a few pounds more.
I assume, just as last Gen, the advertised curb weight does in fact include either the Premium or Performance Pack. It would explain why the manual and auto's are closer together now (including the driveshaft).
If the Base GT weighed 3705lbs, it is almost impossible a fully loaded GTPP Premium only weighs 3814lbs. That is only a 110lbs gain from base to loaded.
The S197 went from 3580lbs (real world 3560-3590lbs) to over 3770lbs for a fully loaded, Brembo GT Premium from 2014.
The weigh gain is small, even the V6 only gained 25lbs from last year...
Edit: It is also worth noting that the Mustang's curb weight in the EU standard is 3640-3660lbs. That is because it is a NO OPTION, BASE GT. If there was a 30-40lbs difference between Base and Premium in 2011-'14 (3580lbs vs. 3618lbs), then I can see a 45lbs difference in the Base and Premium this year (3659lbs vs. 3705lbs). There is considerably more in the Premium this year vs. last Gen.
Is it heavier? No doubt, as originally reported, they said 87lbs and that appears accurate if you compare a 2014 Premium and a 2015 Premium. Not if you use the Base 3580lbs vs. the '15's 3705, because I do believe it is Premium weight. Base to Base, the '14 and '15 are 79lbs between the two. The 3580lbs the Base GT weighed last year and, the 3659lbs the Base weighs this year. I believe a Performance Pack equipped car will gain 60-80lbs over the Base 3659lbs. This is why REAL world weights of a GTPP are in the 3714-3740lbs range. The Recaro's help but not much in Base form. The cloth seats are 50lbs, the Recaro's are like 45-47lbs.
A Premium GTPP will gain an additional 45lbs over that 3714-3740lbs, bringing the weight up to a staggering 3780lbs. At this point, a 2014 GT PP Premium was 110-130lbs lighter. Both the Premium and Performance Pack has gained weight this year as options. We have already seen a member here weigh a GTPP Premium at 3780lbs so, it isn't hard to believe.
Right now, a Base '15 GT will outperform a 2014 Brembo Pack GT at a lower cost. The '15 starts at $32,900 while a Brembo/TP/PP 2014 was about $33,400. A '15 GT should start at the 3659lbs that EU reports. There really isn't much difference, it is a Global car. If I remember correctly, an '11-'14 GTPP was between 3622lbs and 3652lbs...
...not a very big weight gap. About 10lbs, $500 dollars and probably a considerable performance improvement...
No other vehicle can beat that right now...
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