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Hey guys, I wanted to provide a little dyno comparison information. This unfortunately was not generated on a roller dyno, but using the virtual dyno. Which I have used for many years now and compared to real dynos and when I say this is a very accurate comparison, I mean it. Take this information as you would like. Don't let the numbers blow you away or skew the results.

This is comparing my 2015 GT 5.0 Base model Performance pack with Steeda CAI, Stainless Power Catless 1 7/8" long tubes, 2.5" x pipe catback exhaust. I am running lots of igntion advance, more than most email tunes will provide on an e85 blend. I can definitely see why I ran out of fuel tuning e60 and had to dilute to e40. The first pull is with the stock intake manifold with tuned VCT optimized for my setup with the stock manifold on E46, the second pull is with the Boss manifold installed and with E40 on the same stock intake manifold tuned VCT, the third pull is with the Boss manifold on E40 with my new tuned VCT for the Boss manifold. After tuning the Boss manifold VCT I can no longer run over E40 otherwise the injectors hit their max. Now I must upgrade. Max flow seen on the stock intake manifold was 45.8 lb/ min at 6600rpm. With the Boss manifold and VCT optimized max flow is at 52.1 lb/min at 7800rpm.

I'd like to point out how well the stock manifold performs below 6000 with the torque it maintains, but man, after VCT was optimized the torque picked up in a few spots with the boss as well as the top end. With the way I have the car tuned now, driving around town feels better with the Boss because I am running more advance on the cams and actually making more power at partial throttle over the stock manifold with the IMRCs closed and the VCT that they run. Now, that doesn't mean the stock manifold cannot be optimized more at partial throttle and feel even better, its just the way I have optimized my current setup with the Boss. I have noticed a slight drop in fuel economy as well, but who cares. I have the rev limit set at 8000 and it loves staying in that power band from 6000-8000rpm. I am working on fine tuning from 7500-8000 to fix the drop off in power, but this might be the nature of the manifold and my setup.

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Hey Kris, slightly off topic, but how easy do yo find the HPtuners software to use? Is it pretty user friendly?
 
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Hey Kris, slightly off topic, but how easy do yo find the HPtuners software to use? Is it pretty user friendly?
The software is not hard. Understanding how to tune the car and what to change, is a different story. There are many many tables that need to be altered or adjusted on the 11-16 Mustang, the 2015-2016 has twice the amount of mapped points as the 11-14. I'd recommend downloading the software and getting some base files and start looking over it to understand Ford logic. The Ford ECU is the most complicated I've messed with to date.

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Haha, good to know. Thanks!
 

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No problem man. I was not able to get any more information before getting rid of my S550. I did some dyno testing not too long ago on another car and ran into some very confusing information.

We did 5 pulls with the same car. Mods: Steeda CAI, Stainless Power Catless 1 7/8" long tubes, and 2.5" catback, Boss Manifold and LU47s.

VERY LOW READING MUSTANG DYNO

First Pull: 400whp/ 350wtq. Stock VCT on 93 octane, 30 degrees of igntion advance.

Second Pull: 400whp/ 350wtq. Tuned VCT on 93 octane, 30 degrees of igntion advance.

Third Pull: 400whp/ 350wtq. Tuned VCT on E85. 30 degrees of ignition advance.

Fourth Pull: 400whp/ 350wtq: Tuned VCT on E85. 32 degrees of igntion advance.

Fifth Pull: 400whp/ 350wtq: Tuned VCT on E85. 34 degrees of ignition advance.

Now, from what I have gathered, we were having dyno issues. On the last two pulls, the graph was breaking up and going all over the place so I'm pretty confident this was all for nothing. But still interesting results that I LOL'd at.

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Hold on I just looked at the pictures in the second post. The hose going from the intake tube by passing the throttle body, would this cause issues with idle and rev hang? What was up with that?
 

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Hold on I just looked at the pictures in the second post. The hose going from the intake tube by passing the throttle body, would this cause issues with idle and rev hang? What was up with that?

Oh wow! I just noticed that too. That is definitely hooked up wrong...The line on the intake pipe should be capped off. And a hose should be running from the intake, post TB where you have it to the purge valve.
 
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Hold on I just looked at the pictures in the second post. The hose going from the intake tube by passing the throttle body, would this cause issues with idle and rev hang? What was up with that?
Oh wow! I just noticed that too. That is definitely hooked up wrong...The line on the intake pipe should be capped off. And a hose should be running from the intake, post TB where you have it to the purge valve.
The pic is wrong. That is not how I ran it. I used that port on the intake manifold for the purge valve and then capped the intake off where that line runs too. Since it was originally used for IMRC control, it was capped off with no use. Sorry for the confusion.

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The tune determines the rev range, but this intake allows the engine to continue making power beyond 7,000rpm unlike the stock manifold which begins to fall off at about 6,500-6,700rpm.
Anybody try tune the stock intake for 7000-7500 rpm? Reading between the lines of the Ford literature, this should be a 7200rpm+ engine.
 
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Anybody try tune the stock intake for 7000-7500 rpm? Reading between the lines of the Ford literature, this should be a 7200rpm+ engine.
I've tried everything I could do to make power past 6800 and the stock intake manifold will not allow it. It makes great torque everywhere but the longer runner design makes power fall off at 6800. The engine is a 7200+rpm engine, with the right intake setup you can make power to 7800-7900rpm, but the stock intake manifold will not.

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I've tried everything I could do to make power past 6800 and the stock intake manifold will not allow it. It makes great torque everywhere but the longer runner design makes power fall off at 6800. The engine is a 7200+rpm engine, with the right intake setup you can make power to 7800-7900rpm, but the stock intake manifold will not.

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Every try your VCT settings with the stock intake? Also, have you dynoed it with the 93oct+10% ethanol like you mentioned earlier? I got 94+10% up in my neck of the woods. Great stuff btw! :thumbsup:

stock intake falls off at 7300 rpms.
I heard/read that was the falloff point as well. :thumbsup:
 
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stock intake falls off at 7300 rpms.
I'm sorry, but if you are speaking of the stock intake manifold, this is not true. I have never seen one hold power past 6800-6900rpm.

Every try your VCT settings with the stock intake? Also, have you dynoed it with the 93oct+10% ethanol like you mentioned earlier? I got 94+10% up in my neck of the woods. Great stuff btw! :thumbsup:

Yes, I have tuned the VCT on a stock car with just an intake, then retuned the VCT with the addition of long tubes, then once again with the addition of the Boss manifold. Tuning the VCT made a slight difference on a stock car up to intake/ header/ exhaust, but it was minimal difference and minimal change to the actual VCT settings.

This was done all with 93 oct with 10% ethanol, but this alone will not affect VCT, only ignition advance.

I heard/read that was the falloff point as well. :thumbsup:
I've seen the GT350 intake manifold make power to 7300-7500rpm, but not the stock GT intake manifold.
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