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[RBS550]

I'm not here to down anyone and I have not read all the postings, that being said I only made 415 RWHP, but run 11.20s @ 3,835 lbs. I do not and never have put all my judgement in a dyno #. The day I can take off in high gear at the track and run the 1/4 mile in that gear is the day I will worry more about dyno #s. Dynos & flow benches sell parts. I spent many years on a flow bench, some of the fastest cars had lower flowing heads. I could explain why, but that's a lot for a typical guy to type out lol. I had one instance where I built two engines for different customers, one a 408 and the other 331. I built both cars from the ground up with the same components & weight. The 331 had 123 HP less than the 408 but ran 2 tenths quicker with less head CFMs and less power. People like Billy Glidden and Warren Johnson will tell you their best passes were NOT with their best dyno combos. And Billy has even said that what doesn't work on the dyno he will still try at the track. There's a lot of people that can bench 400 lbs., but a 160 lb. MMA guy will kick their butt! Car show people need numbers on a dyno sheet and I'm okay with that, I need numbers on a time slip. I love having less power and running faster, I always have and I always will.

Just to add a little more info...I data log every pass, this way if I slow down or speedup we can see why, that being said with data logging & tune adjustments my HP is obviously higher than 415 RWHP, if you do the math I'm way above 415 RWHP based on my weight & mph. Wallace has a site for this kind of math http://www.wallaceracing.com/et-hp-mph.php the formula has me over 530 HP at the crank. And based on my pushrod days I believe I'm missing a tenth and a half plus, with the mph I already have, but that's for me to find and not my Tuner, I need to make the car more efficient.

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[wproctor411]

OP's Lund Tune was set at 7K rpm but can't you change it when you load the tune? I usually adjusted my rev limit and tire sizes when needed with my SCT.

 

[Jeff's FRC]

Just to add a little more info...I data log every pass, this way if I slow down or speedup we can see why, that being said with data logging & tune adjustments my HP is obviously higher than 415 RWHP, if you do the math I'm way above 415 RWHP based on my weight & mph. Wallace has a site for this kind of math http://www.wallaceracing.com/et-hp-mph.php the formula has me over 530 HP at the crank. And based on my pushrod days I believe I'm missing a tenth and a half plus, with the mph I already have, but that's for me to find and not my Tuner, I need to make the car more efficient.

Lund is looking at every log from every pass you make?

 

[Reds197]

Hmm, you have first hand experience with an AED tune on your 15? I've contacted Shaun and he told me only a few local guys with 15's are running his tunes. He said he refused to do any email tunes until everything is perfect with the cars in testing.

AED is in Cali btw...

Exactly this! He can't even do email tunes. Not the same ballpark.

He tuned my 13 remotely. He can't do that on the 15 yet.

 

[RBS550]

Lund is looking at every log from every pass you make?

No, only when I think there's data that's valuable, then I send it to LUND, whether it's positive or negative. I make a lot of passes, and data log them all, I review them when I get home and delete the logs that are the same. I know my combo is the ground floor and whatever info I can feed back will help shorten the tuning curve for others. And the more people running the same combo will eventually benefit me in what they find.

 

[redline727]

OP's Lund Tune was set at 7K rpm but can't you change it when you load the tune? I usually adjusted my rev limit and tire sizes when needed with my SCT.

Funny you mention this. I just got a config file to log with my X4 so I can send it for review. He told me what he wanted me to do for the log. I noticed in my X4 it said my redline was set at 7K. Lund said its set in my tune to 7200. So I wasn't sure seeing conflicting info in my X4. He replied and said what you see in the X4 under adjustable values is NOT necessarily reflective of what is written in the tune. So I'll just be leaving those alone. If I need a change I'll just submit a request. Just as I am doing to submit my data log.

 

[Demon Coyote]

Funny you mention this. I just got a config file to log with my X4 so I can send it for review. He told me what he wanted me to do for the log. I noticed in my X4 it said my redline was set at 7K. Lund said its set in my tune to 7200. So I wasn't sure seeing conflicting info in my X4. He replied and said what you see in the X4 under adjustable values is NOT necessarily reflective of what is written in the tune. So I'll just be leaving those alone. If I need a change I'll just submit a request. Just as I am doing to submit my data log.

Correct what you see on that screen are 'additional parameters' you can set yourself. Lund had my redline set to 7k on the tune but I used those additional parameters and set it to 7.2k. Works exactly the way I set it.

 

[Jeff's FRC]

Exactly this! He can't even do email tunes. Not the same ballpark.

He tuned my 13 remotely. He can't do that on the 15 yet.

I wouldn't say he can't do email tunes. He said he wants the cars in his area that have been on his dyno to log miles and have nothing but good reports before he starts email tuning. That to me is taking care to make sure your product is the best it can be.

I've got nothing against Lund, but from some reports it seems like there's more to be had. I think he may tune a tad on the conservative side, which is fine, but I want a tuner that is gonna get the most that he can out of my car. Not saying Lund cant, and I'm sure he's working hard especially with RB, but I've seen more than a few posts of guys saying they sent in logs to Lund and then getting a response of, "your good to go no revisions needed." I've had quite a few cars tuned and you can't tell me that the first generic tune that is sent out is perfect and there's no more to be had from additional fine tuning.

 

[kris5597]

If you pay for an email tune, your going to get a generic tune, hands down. Nothing specifically dialed in for your car and your setup, just something like it. If you want to have a solid running car with a tune for your exact setup, you need to find a tuner who is willing to devote the time in VCT tuning on your car, not charge you out the ass, and who knows what he is doing. Btw, those three things usually never go together on a tuner who tunes for his day job.

Kris

 

[dubster99]

I wouldn't say he can't do email tunes. He said he wants the cars in his area that have been on his dyno to log miles and have nothing but good reports before he starts email tuning. That to me is taking care to make sure your product is the best it can be.

I've got nothing against Lund, but from some reports it seems like there's more to be had. I think he may tune a tad on the conservative side, which is fine, but I want a tuner that is gonna get the most that he can out of my car. Not saying Lund cant, and I'm sure he's working hard especially with RB, but I've seen more than a few posts of guys saying they sent in logs to Lund and then getting a response of, "your good to go no revisions needed." I've had quite a few cars tuned and you can't tell me that the first generic tune that is sent out is perfect and there's no more to be had from additional fine tuning.

Agreed. Shaun isn't looking to be the guy with the most email tunes out there or be in a rush to be first.

If you pay for an email tune, your going to get a generic tune, hands down. Nothing specifically dialed in for your car and your setup, just something like it. If you want to have a solid running car with a tune for your exact setup, you need to find a tuner who is willing to devote the time in VCT tuning on your car, not charge you out the ass, and who knows what he is doing. Btw, those three things usually never go together on a tuner who tunes for his day job.

Kris

Agreed 100%.

 

[beefcake]

some of the stuff out there is rocket science some isn't.

once you find where for example a stock car, makes the most power with the vct tables, that isn't going to change with another car with the same specs,

if shaun starts email tuning, dont' you think he will be doing it based off the cars that he has done in person? same as lund?

the big difference here, is lund can do things alot of people can't and has been doing it for over a year now on these cars. lots of r&d, and the tunes keep evolving, the simple reason many are lagging behind is BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T COPY LUNDS FILES like they all did on the 11-14 cars.

not saying there weren't changes made, but it's just like the cam lope tune, why do you think no one else is doing it.... because they don't know how, and they can't copy the one who did this time.

you guys have no idea the time, effort, development lund puts into these cars. 4 guys full time tuning, r&d'ing cars, testing cars, driving cars at the track, etc....

ungodly amount of man hours and testing are in these tunes. not to say you can't squeeze 2 or 3 more hp on a dyno paying 4-8 hours of dyno timing playing with every possible vct table,

but in general, you get alot for your money with lund

 

[kris5597]

some of the stuff out there is rocket science some isn't.

once you find where for example a stock car, makes the most power with the vct tables, that isn't going to change with another car with the same specs,

if shaun starts email tuning, dont' you think he will be doing it based off the cars that he has done in person? same as lund?

the big difference here, is lund can do things alot of people can't and has been doing it for over a year now on these cars. lots of r&d, and the tunes keep evolving, the simple reason many are lagging behind is BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T COPY LUNDS FILES like they all did on the 11-14 cars.

not saying there weren't changes made, but it's just like the cam lope tune, why do you think no one else is doing it.... because they don't know how, and they can't copy the one who did this time.

you guys have no idea the time, effort, development lund puts into these cars. 4 guys full time tuning, r&d'ing cars, testing cars, driving cars at the track, etc....

ungodly amount of man hours and testing are in these tunes. not to say you can't squeeze 2 or 3 more hp on a dyno paying 4-8 hours of dyno timing playing with every possible vct table,

but in general, you get alot for your money with lund

I agree with what your saying. VCT tables on cars with identical setups are going to be the same. However, when you get 2 or 3 cars maybe with a setup that no one has tuned for yet, an email tune is not the way to go. It takes a long time to tune VCT on a car, especially when you have control of both IVO and EVC positions. However, understanding the function of the 2015 VCT is a little different from 11-14 engines, which takes time to learn and understand. Mid lock cam phasers are very interesting to tune. And a tuner that is very busy isn't going to put lots of time on a setup that he won't make as much money on compared to these "special" setups.

"Cam'd tunes" are just stupid, I'm sorry. Why in the world would you want to create loads of overlap at idle pushing inefficiency back up into the intake manifold and out the exhaust with the compression and everything else just to make it sound like a cammed non VVT engine. But, I do understand the point, it sells to people who don't know any better. It's not hard to tune for if you really want it.

Also, a good tuner can decipher a datalog and copy any tune, however, the trans is a different story. Tuning the auto trans is a little different animal, but experience does go a long way.

I guess tuning these engines depends on your background as a tuner. If all you've ever tuned is VVT engines, then learning the coyote will be fun, if you come from push rod engines, good luck lol.

 

[jared89]

You gotta pay to play, just get a custom tune and be done with it. got mine from dgr performance it was $530. Every car is different, i guess if want want to dick around for months data logging and downloading new tunes you can try that. Thats just imo custom tune is the way to go if your serious.

 

[Higgs Boson]

some of the stuff out there is rocket science some isn't.

once you find where for example a stock car, makes the most power with the vct tables, that isn't going to change with another car with the same specs,

if shaun starts email tuning, dont' you think he will be doing it based off the cars that he has done in person? same as lund?

the big difference here, is lund can do things alot of people can't and has been doing it for over a year now on these cars. lots of r&d, and the tunes keep evolving, the simple reason many are lagging behind is BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T COPY LUNDS FILES like they all did on the 11-14 cars.

not saying there weren't changes made, but it's just like the cam lope tune, why do you think no one else is doing it.... because they don't know how, and they can't copy the one who did this time.

you guys have no idea the time, effort, development lund puts into these cars. 4 guys full time tuning, r&d'ing cars, testing cars, driving cars at the track, etc....

ungodly amount of man hours and testing are in these tunes. not to say you can't squeeze 2 or 3 more hp on a dyno paying 4-8 hours of dyno timing playing with every possible vct table,

but in general, you get alot for your money with lund

uh.....tuning just isn't that hard.....if there are tunes out there that suck it isn't because lund are magicians, its because those tuners suck.

vct isn't magic either.

i find it very interesting how the modern mustang community views a "tune." yes, I calibrate performance oriented vehicles in my area that need it but purely by word of mouth or referral.....it doesn't take "ungodly amounts of man hours" to dial in a tune.

i mean, I also have a marketing degree and understand "puffery" but come on man.

 

[socalsnake]

You gotta pay to play, just get a custom tune and be done with it. got mine from dgr performance it was $530. Every car is different, i guess if want want to dick around for months data logging and downloading new tunes you can try that. Thats just imo custom tune is the way to go if your serious.

Agree 100%.

Local (reputable) dyno tune is the way to go. Paid around the same if I recall. Nothing like a custom tune. To me its peace of mind and if its a local shop, its easy to drive back if you have any issues.

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