BMR CB005 issue

[BCGT]

Hello,

Just installing the CB005 kit today and ran into a snag. I've PM'd BMR for help but thought I'd post it up here if anyone has had issues. Everything went in fairly smoothly except for some slight subframe adjust to get the forward bolts in. The problem lies in the large gap I have between the passenger side frame support and the frame .... the other side is great and so is everything else. Everything is seated correct and torqued down and I still have the gap. Big problem is I'm in Canada so dealing with shipping/returns/warranty is always a good time. At this point I'm most likely gonna get some spacers to make it work. Anyone had this happen before???? Thanks

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[Schu]

I would have kept both sides in the "loose" state before attempting to tighten either...

 

[Super Werty]

agreed


try getting both sides started before tightening one side down all the way

 

[BCGT]

Already tried that ... followed the directions which states this. Not my first mod and/or working on vehicles, got lots of experience. The arm appears to be off as the forward edge has a smaller gap than the rear ..... the whole mounting pad is on an angle to the frame and the gap is a good 1/4" - 3/8".

Weird and not in a good way. Put it all together and used some heavy, wide washers to take the gap up. Went for a good rip and feels like it's doing what's advertised. Just not impressed with the fit. Hopefully BMR has some insight.

 

[Super Werty]

So if you loosen the other side completely and remove the bolts. This side still doesn't work?

 

[Jmeo]

Same exact thing happened to me. I ended up having to space the gap with washers exactly like you did. BMR sent me a new passenger side arm to see if possibly it was a build error. Just 3 days ago I finally got around to swapping the arm out. The gap definitely got smaller, I'd say only 1/8" off from at least 3/8" so I'd say it definitely was out of whack.

I decided to do something a little different........

I already had ALL the Steeda "stop the hop" parts in my garage because when I was planning this all out I bought everything Steeda had and BMR's CB005 so I could try both.

I REALLY liked Steeda's braces that tie in the rocker panel, OEM sub frame brace and subframe all together but I think the CB005 does a better job than Steeda's subframe bushing insert kit.

So........ I installed all the CB005 part except the arms, keeping the front OEM subframe braces so I could keep the mounting points for the Steeda brace. I also combined Steeda's subframe centering pins with the CB005. I can tell you with certainty the pins were needed (in my case) because when I took the CB005 arms off (one at a time) I had to realign the subframe to get the bolts to all line up with the holes. This says to me, although the CB005 does a decent job centering the subframe, it does not completely center it and centering pins are the ONLY way to be 100% sure the subframe is centered.

So here is what I'm using

Steeda Braces
Steeda Centering Pins
Steeda Adjustable Toe Arms
Steeda Vertical Links
Steeda Front Sway Bar
Steeda Rear Sway Bar
Steeda Billet Sway Bar Mounts
Steeda K Brace
BMR CB005/OEM hybrid setup
Steeda Progressive Springs (for now)

I still have a little wheel hop but it is WAY better and livable now. I have Steeda Diff Inserts sitting on my bench to go back in and I am hoping this will eliminate the rest of the wheel hop. I also think some of my hop comes from running 285's on the factory 9" wide 20" rims but I can't be sure. Luckily the fix for this is only 4 ish weeks away when my MRR GT350 wheels with 305/35/19 & 275/35/19 Michelin Pilot Super Sports get here

Sorry to get off point here lol. I just wanted to tell you I also experienced the gap in the passenger side BMR arm but ended up giving you my life's work lol.

Funny thing is the factory arm went back in with zero gap.......


Jaime

 

[BCGT]

Awesome, thanks for the reply! At least I know I'm not alone on this. It still seems to work well but using washers isn't the best idea I realize. I really wanted to keep the modding to a min. on this car but that doesn't seem to be happening!

I'll wait to hear from BMR before making my next move.

 

[BMR Tech]

I've had a few of these occurences. Actually "kinda" had it with my personal car.

It's most definitely an OEM vs BMR tolerance issue, better know as compounding tolerances.

Jaime, have you shipped yours back yet?

 

[montreal ponies]

I was just about to pull the trigger on these as well as performance springs,
but will wait to see how this plays out. opcorn:

 

[BCGT]

I totally understand what you're saying about tolerances, I've had to adjust holes in braces to fit other cars before. I'm OK with some minor changes to a product for fitment especially when aftermarket.

Question is, do you think it's acceptable for washers/spacers to be used to compensate for this gap? Will it perform just as well? If so I can live with it.

Thanks

 

[rvlyssup]

I totally understand what you're saying about tolerances, I've had to adjust holes in braces to fit other cars before. I'm OK with some minor changes to a product for fitment especially when aftermarket.

Question is, do you think it's acceptable for washers/spacers to be used to compensate for this gap? Will it perform just as well? If so I can live with it.

Beat me to it... :cheers:

I have this kit ready to go on as well but also want to see the answer. I however am not really keen on using a washer to fill the gap between the bracket & frame.

 

[Jmeo]

Awesome, thanks for the reply! At least I know I'm not alone on this. It still seems to work well but using washers isn't the best idea I realize. I really wanted to keep the modding to a min. on this car but that doesn't seem to be happening!

I'll wait to hear from BMR before making my next move.

Honestly the washers although not visually pleasing get the job done and the kit will still work perfectly. If I didn't do what I did with the hybrid setup I was going to make a steel spacer the exact shape to fill the void that's all.

Kelly is a grade A top notch guy and this kit is second to none in my opinion.



[Steeda Progressive Springs(for now) QUOTE=BMR Tech;757383]I've had a few of these occurences. Actually "kinda" had it with my personal car.

It's most definitely an OEM vs BMR tolerance issue, better know as compounding tolerances.

Jaime, have you shipped yours back yet?[/QUOTE]


I totally agree that this is just a tolerance thing. Not knocking your product one bit. Actually I believe BMR to be among the best in quality built products that work and probably the easiest on the ole wallet as well.

I will get the arm sent back to you one day this week Kelly. Just PM me the address and/or dept info and I'll get it done.

 

[DivineStrike]

I haven't installed mine yet but perhaps BMR can make some shims for these kits to account for the variances between OEM cars. That may be more a more consistent fix than trying to change the original product. Unless BMR does find there is an issue with producing them.

 

[BMR Tech]

Just some info. JMeo's was the worst I've seen thus far. The second is the one in this thread. The third is my car, which was pretty similar to the OPs...maybe a little less.

We've shipped close to 500 kits out. Many are bulk purchases, but I'd guess there are atleast 300 kits installed.

3 occurences of 300, that's pretty telling to be honest. Of course, there may be more....as there are always people who just go about doing whatever and never let me know.

As with all of our products....if there is a way to "meet in the middle" to make it easier on the people who would have the issue the worst, we will do it.

At this time, this is not super high on my priority list simply because there are so many people using them without issue.

I would not worry one bit about the product for those who have them and haven't installed them.

As for shims, not sure if that will be part of the solution or not. Time will tell. For now, I would say that anything more than 3/8"...you should definitely let me know about it so I can assist you in solving it. Shims/washers are perfectly acceptable, I just hope I can come up with a way to make that a non solution. Maybe a thin sheet of aluminum or steel to space it, for the few who need it.

I will know more when I get JMeo original one back for analysis.

 

[DivineStrike]

Just some info. JMeo's was the worst I've seen thus far. The second is the one in this thread. The third is my car, which was pretty similar to the OPs...maybe a little less.

We've shipped close to 500 kits out. Many are bulk purchases, but I'd guess there are atleast 300 kits installed.

3 occurences of 300, that's pretty telling to be honest. Of course, there may be more....as there are always people who just go about doing whatever and never let me know.

As with all of our products....if there is a way to "meet in the middle" to make it easier on the people who would have the issue the worst, we will do it.

At this time, this is not super high on my priority list simply because there are so many people using them without issue.

I would not worry one bit about the product for those who have them and haven't installed them.

As for shims, not sure if that will be part of the solution or not. Time will tell. For now, I would say that anything more than 3/8"...you should definitely let me know about it so I can assist you in solving it. Shims/washers are perfectly acceptable, I just hope I can come up with a way to make that a non solution. Maybe a thin sheet of aluminum or steel to space it, for the few who need it.

I will know more when I get JMeo original one back for analysis.

That's kinda my definition of a shim lol I'm not too worried about having any issues, just throwing suggestions out there if there are issues people aren't reporting. If I do encounter any issues with the install I'll be sure to PM ya.

Thanks for the quick detailed response

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