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I believe it's a 120-121 car all day. 124 is a stretch, unless the car is stripped or has internal engine work. Come out to AZ!
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We hardly ever have negative DA here. To put into perspective how bad our air is in summer and most of the year really I have a friend with a 2010 Camaro LS3 with a big cam, long tubes and catback exhaust. It dynoed 470whp SAE on a dynojet. He ran it a couple weeks ago at Bradenton and it ran a whopping 13.0 at 112 MPH. Now he cant drive but that trap speed is horrible for a 470whp car even if it is around 4100lbs race weight.
This may be true, but I manage 7s at showtime and my car probably weighs about 4k and makes 426 rwhp on the dyno. DA is usually in the 2000s. This should be around 11s, at least i hope haha.
 

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And here is baseline, 93 tune and e85 tune.
As others mentioned, I'm honestly disappointed by the increase from stock to 93. Making noticeable gains from 5500-6500 isn't enough for me to go with this tune. I'm sure drivability will be better, etc., but that's it?

For reference, I trapped 126-127 in positive DA (1200-1400), 500whp (93), and 3500-3550 race weight (me in it) in my cammed 6MT/3.73 S197. Prior to cams, I made 460whp FBO (93) with a ported CJ setup, bolt-ons, and trapped 122-124. My biggest regret was not buying an auto.
 
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What do you expect from E85? It's big benefits are when boosted.
 

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What do you expect from E85? It's big benefits are when boosted.
I wasn't referring to E85. I was speaking on the gains from stock to 93. I'm not a big E85 guy. Can't get it in my area.

It pretty much mirrors the stock curve till around 5000rpm, and the tq increases are negligible. I expected more in that regard.
 
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Huge difference from stock to tuned. Picked up 27whp over stock. Very noticeable gains.
 
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3500 rpm's and above are all gains over stock.
 

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What do you expect from E85? It's big benefits are when boosted.
E85 still has significant benefits over gas with the right tune.
 

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For n/a it is all about knock protection with an aggressive tune.
 

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Huge difference from stock to tuned. Picked up 27whp over stock. Very noticeable gains.
3500 rpm's and above are all gains over stock.
I see significant gains over 5000. I see nothing significant below that. ~5whp/wtq is within the noise, IMO.

Edit: Also, isn't there an intake and axlebacks on the car? Stock to 93 can't be attributed to gains from the tune only.

Again, I'm talking 93 tune, not E85. I'd expect any tune (even the FRPP tune does it) to pick up power up top. This build won't be as hardcore as my last, so I'm more interested in power under the curve, and I don't think this delivers below 5k. Was hoping for more, but that's just me. I'm sure there are plenty of guys out there who are pleased with the results.
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Gains are always going to be more up top as this is a high revving engine. I love revving it out to 7500 rpm's so the gains made a huge difference for me.
 

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I see significant gains over 5000. I see nothing significant below that. ~5whp/wtq is within the noise, IMO.

Edit: Also, isn't there an intake and axlebacks on the car? Stock to 93 can't be attributed to gains from the tune only.

Again, I'm talking 93 tune, not E85. I'd expect any tune (even the FRPP tune does it) to pick up power up top. This build won't be as hardcore as my last, so I'm more interested in power under the curve, and I don't think this delivers below 5k. Was hoping for more, but that's just me. I'm sure there are plenty of guys out there who are pleased with the results.
I told him the same thing. If you look at Lund 93 octane tune only or even Steeda's or Bama's 93 octane tunes, stock vs tuned ton of videos out there, it is clear that you gain more than 9 lb ft, more like 20 lb ft range. Even there are other Lund Flex fuel dynos on 93 octane vs e85 videos out there.

He just needs the tune to dial in again with a datalog. Its up to him at this point.Who knows maybe the dynojet is flawed!! I will post my results today on 93 octane vs stock using lund flex fuel logic.
 

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I told him the same thing. If you look at Lund 93 octane tune only or even Steeda's or Bama's 93 octane tunes, stock vs tuned ton of videos out there, it is clear that you gain more than 9 lb ft, more like 20 lb ft range. Even there are other Lund Flex fuel dynos on 93 octane vs e85 videos out there.

He just needs the tune to dial in again with a datalog. Its up to him at this point.Who knows maybe the dynojet is flawed!! I will post my results today on 93 octane vs stock using lund flex fuel logic.
It has to be something. Those numbers were with an intake. We can debate on how much of that gain is attributable to an open hood, etc., but a tune that compensates for the change to cone filter element should do something to take advantage of the added flow of an intake, i.e., he'd gain even less if the intake wasn't there, esp. up top.

Hopefully a retune will net bigger gains across the rev range. I remember tunes on stock, 1-2 bolton cars, doing more when I was in that step of the modding cycle with my '14 5.0.
 

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It has to be something. Those numbers were with an intake. We can debate on how much of that gain is attributable to an open hood, etc., but a tune that compensates for the change to cone filter element should do something to take advantage of the added flow of an intake, i.e., he'd gain even less if the intake wasn't there, esp. up top.

Hopefully a retune will net bigger gains across the rev range. I remember tunes on stock, 1-2 bolton cars, doing more when I was in that step of the modding cycle with my '14 5.0.
Haha i am saying all this but i might be in trouble today. My car with stock tune , no tune steeda, intake, h pipe with catback put down 395 whp and 368 lbft of torque running Shell 93 Octane Nitro. As comparison my old ls3 camaro on the same dyno put down 368 whp and 366 lbft with better cooler air. A member here with a gtpp AED e85 tune bigger injectors, steeda intake no restrictor, full exhaust put down 415 whp and 385 lb ft of torque on similar air same dyno. It even depends on the car i guess.

Today, my car only has a drop in filter, 170 degree thermostat, x pipe with catback, and lund flex fuel tune running on 0.75 tank 93 0.25 tank 91 octane fuel. I am really curious to find out cause i can feel the extra unicorns:D
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