August 2017 Mustang Sales

[Erik427]

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[B4Sunrise]

Only if you consider about $2K to be "about the same price".

I have built out a 2018 exactly the same as the 2015 GT Premium I have now and the difference is less than $100. No I didn't choose active exhaust or a heated steering wheel etc - only picking those options I have now. I think the Active Exhaust option is work getting, and that new dash would be cool however I am happy with the now base Premium options, for me the draw is still the powertrain however I do like how comfortable and livable the premium package makes the GT. So should I go to replace this one, the active exhaust is an option I'll choose in addition, I'd like the new digital dash and I am not in a hurry so may wait for the hubbub to die down and see what I can negotiated.

 

[wireeater]

i don't believe you have really looked into this at all, if you want to build a 2018 up to the same specs as a 2017 - you can and it's priced about the same. About the same price and with a much more powerful 5.0L, a strong manual, a better clutch, and you'll find out it's better balanced than the 2017. Sure the performance pack is more expensive however, there really isn't a need to get that unless you're tracking it, and that is the only place the current car is second to the Camaro. Beyond that Ford basically is letting those that want to option it up - do that. The Mustang is still a great value they are going to kill it with the 2018!
It's funny when the ridiculous car rag's christened the 2016 Camaro COTY, some here panicked, it turns out the Mustang was always the better car, and now it's the far better car. People ask why do sales number matter? We are seeing it right here, Ford gave back the success of the S550, dig in a bit you'll see the 2018 is every bit the value the 2017 is.

+25hp = much more powerful?:lol: A stronger manual? How do you know this? None of us know this yet?

I get some of you all are hyped but you are really over selling the new 2018. I'm starting to feel like i'm on Camaro6. Still a whole lot of speculating on a car that has no actual performance metrics out there yet besides from the PR/Marketing department at Ford.

 

[B4Sunrise]

I feel like perhaps you're not really an aficionado, if you truly were you'd realize the 25 HP isn't the story with the new 5.0 - it's the higher redline. The old motor's power curve dropped at 6500 rpm, which was nearly identical to the LT 6.2, this one has a 7500 redline and while the details aren't out they have stated the peak is around 7,000 rpm perhaps more, while the net gain is 25 HP, the HP gain at say 7000 rpm vs. the current motor will be 65-70 hp or more. The broader power curve is how a heavier car is putting down a sub 4.0 sec 0-60 with "only" 25 more HP and while GM can add HP to their 6.2, they will have a hard time matching the higher RPM range with an OHV engine, without adding lighter (more expensive) parts. I am waiting to see the chart on the new motor as that will tell the story, however I am going on an assumption Ford has transferred at least some of the FR "phase 3" upgrade to the current engine. The power increase of the FR phase 3 upgrade is even more significant, however from what I have heard the 2018 motor gets all that and more (DI/PI) & and reshaped pistons, higher compression, etc.
Ford has released the details on the updated manual transmission in numerous press releases, if you're gonna be on this thread do the research please.

 

[c-rizzle]

I wonder how many of those Challengers are part of the 3,300 Demons made /sold.

Quite a spike after a dip for the Dodges.

 

[EJS2016]

I feel like perhaps you're not really an aficionado, if you truly were you'd realize the 25 HP isn't the story with the new 5.0 - it's the higher redline. The old motor's power curve dropped at 6500 rpm, which was nearly identical to the LT 6.2, this one has a 7500 redline and while the details aren't out they have stated the peak is around 7,000 rpm perhaps more, while the net gain is 25 HP, the HP gain at say 7000 rpm vs. the current motor will be 65-70 hp or more. The broader power curve is how a heavier car is putting down a sub 4.0 sec 0-60 with "only" 25 more HP and while GM can add HP to their 6.2, they will have a hard time matching the higher RPM range with an OHV engine, without adding lighter (more expensive) parts. I am waiting to see the chart on the new motor as that will tell the story, however I am going on an assumption Ford has transferred at least some of the FR "phase 3" upgrade to the current engine. The power increase of the FR phase 3 upgrade is even more significant, however from what I have heard the 2018 motor gets all that and more (DI/PI) & and reshaped pistons, higher compression, etc.
Ford has released the details on the updated manual transmission in numerous press releases, if you're gonna be on this thread do the research please.

Unless you are street racing (a really bad idea) or taking your Mustang to the strip, how often are you going to be winding it out to 7000-7500?
I would speculate for the most part, that the great majority of Mustang GT drivers never operate the car/mechanicals anywhere near maximum capabilities.

So what good is all this power (advertised or imagined/extrapolated)if the the application scenario is so limited?

Silly numbers hype to drive sales.

Practically all members of this forum own S550s and/or other Mustangs.
If we were all not true Mustang enthusiasts or "aficionados" why would any of us waste time with this website?

 

[bootlegger]

Unless you are street racing (a really bad idea) or taking your Mustang to the strip, how often are you going to be winding it out to 7000-7500?
I would speculate for the most part, that the great majority of Mustang GT drivers never operate the car/mechanicals anywhere near maximum capabilities.

So what good is all this power (advertised or imagined/extrapolated)if the the application scenario is so limited?

Silly numbers hype to drive sales.

Practically all members of this forum own S550s and/or other Mustangs.
If we were all not true Mustang enthusiasts or "aficionados" why would any of us waste time with this website?

My S197 regularly found itself near the redline. Of course, it only had a little over 300hp. I still bet my new Mustang will get a decent workout regularly.

 

[gmichaelj1]

You do understand. That since 2009 both Ford & GM have sold about a gillion more Camaros and Mustangs than the attractively designed challenger right??? The pretty little graphs and pie charts on page one of this thread might point out that flailing designs. Seam to sell better.:shrug:

Yes. I absolutely do understand that Camaro and Mustang outsold Challenger by a long-shot several years ago. And all that effort and investment in the redesigns, by both GM and Ford, have only yielded approximate sales parity with FCA in the segment *Currently* I made the argument when I first saw the 2015 spy photos that Ford was making a Styling/Branding mistake when it ditched the square front-end retro look. That's an argument I continue to make. FCA kept the "old man's look" (probably out of necessity) and have reaped the rewards. If you are familiar with the term Return on Investment, I think we can agree that from a money and marketing standpoint, FCA is the 21st Century ROI pony car CHAMP!

 

[bootlegger]

Yes. I absolutely do understand that Camaro and Mustang outsold Challenger by a long-shot several years ago. And all that effort and investment in the redesigns, by both GM and Ford, have only yielded approximate sales parity with FCA in the segment *Currently* I made the argument when I first saw the 2015 spy photos that Ford was making a Styling/Branding mistake when it ditched the square front-end retro look. That's an argument I continue to make. FCA kept the "old man's look" (probably out of necessity) and have reaped the rewards. If you are familiar with the term Return on Investment, I think we can agree that from a money and marketing standpoint, FCA is the 21st Century ROI pony car CHAMP!

The 2015+ mustang design is amazing. It is by far the most impressive redesign of any new sporty car out there. There are several articles praising Ford for this design. There are many factors that go into car sales, claiming design is the primary one is sort of a narrow viewed opinion.

 

[gmichaelj1]

The 2015+ mustang design is amazing. It is by far the most impressive redesign of any new sporty car out there. There are several articles praising Ford for this design. There are many factors that go into car sales, claiming design is the primary one is sort of a narrow viewed opinion.

Agreed. My focus on the design aspect is narrow. But with horsepower numbers up substantially across the board (see current Toyota Camary for example). Design/Styling becomes the biggest differentiator between cars. I think that's especially true for pony cars now that the least powerful have about as much power as my 2006 GT. I am very interested in dual direct injection/port injection, twin disc clutch, magnaride suspension, etc. BUT, how much use does the average person, or even the enthusiast, get from that compared to the feeling of "yeah, look at my cool car"? No one will want a Mustang if the cars aren't perceived as powerful, so yes, hp, suspension, technology are all important. But all the cars in this segment are more capable then most drivers. Styling becomes *one of* the most important (from a business standpoint) factor.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

Yes. I absolutely do understand that Camaro and Mustang outsold Challenger by a long-shot several years ago. And all that effort and investment in the redesigns, by both GM and Ford, have only yielded approximate sales parity with FCA in the segment *Currently* I made the argument when I first saw the 2015 spy photos that Ford was making a Styling/Branding mistake when it ditched the square front-end retro look. That's an argument I continue to make. FCA kept the "old man's look" (probably out of necessity) and have reaped the rewards. If you are familiar with the term Return on Investment, I think we can agree that from a money and marketing standpoint, FCA is the 21st Century ROI pony car CHAMP!

Sorry You'll likely be the only person on this forum. That Will have that opinion that's not a Challenger owner. FCA is reaping rewards? They are also the worst performing Company as a whole. When compared to the other big Three.

 

[bootlegger]

Agreed. My focus on the design aspect is narrow. But with horsepower numbers up substantially across the board (see current Toyota Camary for example). Design/Styling becomes the biggest differentiator between cars. I think that's especially true for pony cars now that the least powerful have about as much power as my 2006 GT. I am very interested in dual direct injection/port injection, twin disc clutch, magnaride suspension, etc. BUT, how much use does the average person, or even the enthusiast, get from that compared to the feeling of "yeah, look at my cool car"? No one will want a Mustang if the cars aren't perceived as powerful, so yes, hp, suspension, technology are all important. But all the cars in this segment are more capable then most drivers. Styling becomes *one of* the most important (from a business standpoint) factor.

I am talking more about industry trends.

 

[xDUMPWEEDx]

I have built out a 2018 exactly the same as the 2015 GT Premium I have now and the difference is less than $100.

No you didn't.

 

[1320']

I have built out a 2018 exactly the same as the 2015 GT Premium I have now and the difference is less than $100.

I have a feeling there's a "well since.."


Otherwise you're gonna need to prove that.

 

[airfuel]

Math skills!

I couldn't build a GT for $60,000 like some here and couldn't build one the same price as a two year old Mustang!

This group is funny!

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