Add track mode?

[Legionofone]

Is there any way to add the track mode to a non premium car?

What all is in charge of that?

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[Glex25]

I say wait for the track key option and it will probably give you that function

 

[daltron]

Isn't track mode just sport mode's throttle sensitivity with more nannies turned off?

 

[Plimmer]

As far as I can tell track mode or any of the modes only changes how pedal input is converted to throttle position. Track mode gets to WOT faster than Normal or Wet mode. Don't think you're missing anything in the power department without it.

 

[redline727]

Here you go! Yes Sport+ and Track use the same throttle mapping, Track just tailors traction control for track driving, so says the manual. So it's not really "off" as stability control is still active as well. Manual says you can disable everything in any driving mode by holding the advance trac button for more than 5 seconds.

 

[Budwise]

If I'm reading this right, the Sport+ and Track mode don't have linear throttle mappings? It appears that with the pedal depressed 50% of the way you get 60% throttle, and at 85% depressed you get 100% throttle. In normal its perfectly linear which is technically what you would want for the track. Am I reading this wrong? This is what mickey mouse tuners do who want you to think their tune is powerful and responsive, they just make it give more throttle with less pedal...

 

[redline727]

If I'm reading this right, the Sport+ and Track mode don't have linear throttle mappings? It appears that with the pedal depressed 50% of the way you get 60% throttle, and at 85% depressed you get 100% throttle. In normal its perfectly linear which is technically what you would want for the track. Am I reading this wrong? This is what mickey mouse tuners do who want you to think their tune is powerful and responsive, they just make it give more throttle with less pedal...

That's the stock mapping for the selectable driving modes. They can be adjusted to your liking by your tuner. But yes, essentially they can make them whatever you or they want. I am trying to see what the stock throttle map looks like on non Premium cars, but I'm assuming it's just Normal mode all the time. Which tuners can adjust as well. Same thing essentially happens with the Pedal Max and Sprint Booster. The PCM doesn't recognize pedal travel it only recognizes the voltage signal sent by how much you move the pedal. It interprets that voltage and makes the percentage to open the throttle blade. So when that signal is boosted by the device, the PCM thinks your requesting more throttle then what you're actually moving the pedal. It doesn't make it any "faster." The only way either of those devices makes throttle "faster" then you can move the pedal is when stomping on the pedal and commanding WOT bc it will command 100% before your foot guys all the way to the floor. But even then it's only by a few hundredths of a second. You can actually duplicate everything that device does by just moving your foot faster on the pedal to the desired throttle. Meaning if you want 75% throttle "fast" just jam down the pedal to 75%, quicker with your foot. So all those devices do, like the selectable driving modes, is allow you to achieve that throttle with less foot speed and travel. Or in the case of Snow mode, less throttle is commanded. And you wouldn't want to use your Booster or Pedal Max on snow mode because it's counter productive.

For the record, knowing this doesn't keep me from using the driving modes or my Sprint Booster. It just gives me more options to customize my driving experience. So if I want to do burnouts with hardly hitting the pedal, I can do that lol. And yes the Sprint Booster works in conjunction with the driving modes. It still amplifies the throttle in the same manor. So in Track/Sport+ you will hit the throttle maps target output with even less pedal movement then what it is programmed to do.

It's a lot to take in and process, I know, but that's how it works. Just ask [MENTION=19063]Higgs Boson[/MENTION] he is the one that educated me on it lol.

 

[Higgs Boson]

If I'm reading this right, the Sport+ and Track mode don't have linear throttle mappings? It appears that with the pedal depressed 50% of the way you get 60% throttle, and at 85% depressed you get 100% throttle. In normal its perfectly linear which is technically what you would want for the track. Am I reading this wrong? This is what mickey mouse tuners do who want you to think their tune is powerful and responsive, they just make it give more throttle with less pedal...

Linear compared to what?

A DBW throttle is not a computer controlled cable throttle.

Think about that before replying.

BTW, as mentioned, those are the stock pedal/throttle figures. (When has "sport mode" or "wet mode" ever been anything more than gimmicky anyways?? it's been on motorcycles as well for a while. throttle maps, it's all BS.

Think about what you want to achieve, how the stock pedal feels vs what numbers you see posted above and what the concept of linear pedal feel really means....

Let's establish a couple things first. We are talking about FEEL. The baseline here is an old cable pedal throttle.....But do we REALLY know that those were a linear opening? Did you ever measure anything besides WOT vs 100% throttle body opening? We all made sure full throttle was fully open, but did we measure 50% = 50%? No. Did we measure opening rates? No.....

So if the first car you ever drove was a DBW then Linear means however DBW feels. After that, everything else is either slow or powerful, even though neither are related. We need to get OFF the cable comparison BS. It is apples and oranges at this point. Mustang DBW feels different than Corvette or truck or Accord DBW. How it feels is a computer setting, nothing more....the baseline is the stock values, not some other car.


Also, all we are talking about so far is pedal:throttle ratio.....we haven't even started talking about Driver Demand......

This link is for a chevrolet computer but the basics are the same.....read this.
https://www.hptuners.com/help/vcm_editor_tuning_how_to_advanced_e78.htm

 

[Budwise]

I'm not comparing DBW to a cable. I'm saying that for track use you don't want to think you're giving 75% throttle going out of a corner and then all of a sudden your car gives you 100% throttle.

I have a premium car so I have track mode but I don't know if I want to use it on track if it does this.

I'm not a tuner expert or anything, I'd like to know exactly what "Track" mode does though so I can understand better what it is I'm feeling that is different. That's all.

 

[Higgs Boson]

I'm not comparing DBW to a cable. I'm saying that for track use you don't want to think you're giving 75% throttle going out of a corner and then all of a sudden your car gives you 100% throttle.

I have a premium car so I have track mode but I don't know if I want to use it on track if it does this.

I'm not a tuner expert or anything, I'd like to know exactly what "Track" mode does though so I can understand better what it is I'm feeling that is different. That's all.

you are still in charge of your car and your pedals. you don't drive by pressing the pedal to 48.7% do you? no.....you give it enough gas to do what you want to do. you give it more or you give it less. that's pretty much all there is to it.

what track mode does it posted above. what you are feeling in track mode is a slightly more open throttle blade vs the pedal effort. it doesn't give full throttle blade until 84.8 pedal, it is a blend below that to the 49% pedal / 61% throttle blade cell. the 75% pedal figure you reference will be in the 85% throttle body range.

just so you know, all of these values are editable, including the axis values.

 

[Plimmer]

I'm not comparing DBW to a cable. I'm saying that for track use you don't want to think you're giving 75% throttle going out of a corner and then all of a sudden your car gives you 100% throttle.

I have a premium car so I have track mode but I don't know if I want to use it on track if it does this.

I'm not a tuner expert or anything, I'd like to know exactly what "Track" mode does though so I can understand better what it is I'm feeling that is different. That's all.

Yeah, I'm with you on this. Seems like snow mode would be better for balancing a car on the edge of grip around a corner and not be surprised with more throttle than expected, and then as the turn straightens out you still get to drive out hard.

 

[Budwise]

you are still in charge of your car and your pedals. you don't drive by pressing the pedal to 48.7% do you? no.....you give it enough gas to do what you want to do. you give it more or you give it less. that's pretty much all there is to it.

what track mode does it posted above. what you are feeling in track mode is a slightly more open throttle blade vs the pedal effort. it doesn't give full throttle blade until 84.8 pedal, it is a blend below that to the 49% pedal / 61% throttle blade cell. the 75% pedal figure you reference will be in the 85% throttle body range.

just so you know, all of these values are editable, including the axis values.

Yes I'm in charge of the pedal but track work is all about smooth inputs including throttle and if track mode makes the input uneven then obviously I will not be as smooth. Changing of the throttle map to something non-linear like what the track and sport mode give is not ideal for optimal power delivery on turn exit. For those of us who don't plan to get a tune its good to know...

My question is how do I keep the normal throttle mapping and disengage the traction control to the same level as the track mode? Would 1 click of the traction control toggle switch give that?

 

[daltron]

I believe you must hold it up for 5 seconds and you will get a prompt. Well, that disables more nannies than just the toggle, but I don't recall the difference in nanny reduction from normal to sport and sport+ and track.

 

[redline727]

Yes I'm in charge of the pedal but track work is all about smooth inputs including throttle and if track mode makes the input uneven then obviously I will not be as smooth. Changing of the throttle map to something non-linear like what the track and sport mode give is not ideal for optimal power delivery on turn exit. For those of us who don't plan to get a tune its good to know...

My question is how do I keep the normal throttle mapping and disengage the traction control to the same level as the track mode? Would 1 click of the traction control toggle switch give that?

According to the user manual holding the AdvanceTrac button for more then 5 seconds "disables " Traction Control and Stability Control in ANY driving mode

 

[redline727]

And here is the driving modes as listed in the user manual

They make everything sound so special haha. Way to sell it Ford lol.

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