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[Firsttexan]

What telematics records and where are they downloading them from? Please elaborate on this.

Similar to the airlines black box.

Info is used in accidents,lawsuits etc..

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[bankyf]

Let me try again. Please elaborate on your direct knowledge of this alleged telematics that is stored in your car. Not what you read on the internet, your direct knowledge.

 

[Firsttexan]

Let me try again. Please elaborate on your direct knowledge of this alleged telematics that is stored in your car. Not what you read on the internet, your direct knowledge.

"Auto telematics is a method of sharing information like GPS and diagnostics recorded by your vehicle with a third party, such as an insurance company or mechanic. Auto telematics is the use of communications and information technology to transmit driving and vehicle information."

That's all I know. No need to find out more unless there's an issue that requires it.

I know the data can be used in accident cases.Giving data on speed,braking etc..

Some use an OBD device plug in for insurance discounts, giving all kinds of other data in the process. I wouldn't use one.


Now please tell us "your direct knowledge" about what you know and what we are missing from such a simple comment?

 

[fmc_smt]

Let me try again. Please elaborate on your direct knowledge of this alleged telematics that is stored in your car. Not what you read on the internet, your direct knowledge.

Simple question, do you have Ford Pass set up ?

 

[bankyf]

Simple question, do you have Ford Pass set up ?

I do, but it’s not relevant to the discussion. We are talking about telematics stored in your car and accessible locally, which in our case is fairly limited in time and information. I am well aware of what is transmitted to ford, but that was happening before FordPass even existed and may still happen even if FordPass isn’t setup. You won’t be completely safe unless you remove the TCU.

 

[Torched10]

I don't think so. That uses your phones service.

Att sent me note that my smart phone needs newer than 3g to work.luckily have 4g.do im,hoping I'm good with maps.they said if I had 3g I'd need to get new phone
Seems something fishy here.i buy a phone from them then they tell us if we have older 3g phones we need to get new phone

BTW there is a link to GM tab in article I posted

 

[The Demon]

3G was introduced in 2001. If you still have anything that uses it well……

 

[Bikeman315]

Not all. There are some 2020 Ford vehicles affected.

Interesting in that every article regarding 3G and Ford they state that Ford does not and has not used 3G for non app purposes. No 2020 vehicles use 3G.

Received a notice from Lincoln for my wife's 2017 MKZ that 3G was being turned off. Upgrade to a 4G dealer installed modem for <$300. 4G is installed in all 2018 and newer Fords and Lincolns.

So tunes out that some Ford vehicles use 3G for use with their apps. Her is that list. turns out there are big to do about how Lincoln is handling this upgrade. Dealers are reallyconfused (no kidding). found this on one of the Lincoln sites.

Edit: added the Lincoln forum links
https://www.mkcforum.com/threads/what-happens-to-lincoln-app-when-at-t-discontinues-3g.30422/

https://lincolnforums.com/forums/threads/3g-to-4g-modem-upgrade-for-lincoln-way-app.41466/page-2

 

[Bikeman315]

Let me try again. Please elaborate on your direct knowledge of this alleged telematics that is stored in your car. Not what you read on the internet, your direct knowledge.

Not happening. @Hanavarian does post some very interesting and sometimes strange things. This comment was totally false. Ford can only share your information with insurance companies if you give them permission to do so.

In addition your cellphone collects far more data than any automotive telematics systems.

 

[ice445]

I do, but it’s not relevant to the discussion. We are talking about telematics stored in your car and accessible locally, which in our case is fairly limited in time and information. I am well aware of what is transmitted to ford, but that was happening before FordPass even existed and may still happen even if FordPass isn’t setup. You won’t be completely safe unless you remove the TCU.

The really diabolical thing is that even if you pull the TCU fuse or otherwise disconnect it, if you connect your phone the car can transmit using your phone if you have the FordPass app installed. Not sure if it can piggyback otherwise, but they sure thought of everything.

I don't really care personally, for the record. Everything is recorded now.

 

[Vlad Soare]

The really diabolical thing is that even if you pull the TCU fuse or otherwise disconnect it, if you connect your phone the car can transmit using your phone if you have the FordPass app installed.

So remove FordPass. Problem solved.
Without the TCU the app is completely useless anyway.

 

[bankyf]

Interesting in that every article regarding 3G and Ford they state that Ford does not and has not used 3G for non app purposes. No 2020 vehicles use 3G.



So tunes out that some Ford vehicles use 3G for use with their apps. Her is that list. turns out there are big to do about how Lincoln is handling this upgrade. Dealers are reallyconfused (no kidding). found this on one of the Lincoln sites.

Edit: added the Lincoln forum links
https://www.mkcforum.com/threads/what-happens-to-lincoln-app-when-at-t-discontinues-3g.30422/

https://lincolnforums.com/forums/threads/3g-to-4g-modem-upgrade-for-lincoln-way-app.41466/page-2

Here is the catch... Those newer vehicles were on a different app called MyFordMobile that was tailored to the PHEV and BEV vehicles. It was always understood that the MFM app was only 3g compatible while FordPass was only 4g compatible. Despite Ford knowing the 3g sunset was coming for years, they continued to use 3g modems up to 2020my in the Energi. The Fordpass app had to be redesigned to accommodate these vehicles that are now converting to 4g. Makes no sense why Ford backed themselves in a corner at the last minute on this.

 

[Torched10]

Interesting in that every article regarding 3G and Ford they state that Ford does not and has not used 3G for non app purposes. No 2020 vehicles use 3G.



So tunes out that some Ford vehicles use 3G for use with their apps. Her is that list. turns out there are big to do about how Lincoln is handling this upgrade. Dealers are reallyconfused (no kidding). found this on one of the Lincoln sites.

Edit: added the Lincoln forum links
https://www.mkcforum.com/threads/what-happens-to-lincoln-app-when-at-t-discontinues-3g.30422/

https://lincolnforums.com/forums/threads/3g-to-4g-modem-upgrade-for-lincoln-way-app.41466/page-2

Thanks bikeman.what does non app mean,e.g. can i receive a text or make call thru the steering wheel.can I use the nav system,which I love.

 

[Buldawg76]

My phone carrier Metro PCS told me that they were not doing away with 3g coverage any time in the future. But who knows what the future holds.

I don't do social media and if my ford pass/nav system quits working then I guess I will go back to old skool with a paper map like I grew up using. I have so much turned off in my iPhone it's a dumb smart phone.

BD

 

[ZeroTX]

My phone carrier Metro PCS told me that they were not doing away with 3g coverage any time in the future. But who knows what the future holds.

I don't do social media and if my ford pass/nav system quits working then I guess I will go back to old skool with a paper map like I grew up using. I have so much turned off in my iPhone it's a dumb smart phone.

BD

The person you talked to is a clueless fool. Metro uses T-Mobile towers, and T-Mobile is turning off 3G in July. Period. It won't work after that if you don't have an LTE or 5G device.

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