2018 Performance Pack - A big step BACKWARDS

[NoVaGT]

...The ones just bought it for pure performance already made the wrong choice if you ask me.....

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[bluebeastsrt]

C'mon track guy!!!

The people that would know what PP2 means, much less actually pay for it, couldn't care less about it's name's "sex appeal". They want actual performance, genuine dynamic abilities.

Honestly, the majority of people that bought the performance pack. Don't track their cars. They buy the performance pack. So they can say they have the performance pack. The real track guys go aftermarket.

 

[ALUSA]

Yup

I may not be fair though. For me the car is overpriced glorious and gorgeous monster by Ford and their dealers!

 

[Grintch]

If the pp2 matches the gt350 performance for a lower price with no allocation restrictions, I am curious. Will the existing gt350 owners be happy, pissed, or indifferent?

The 2015 GT was supposedly as fast as the BOSS 302 (it wasn't). Did Ford care about that? The 2018 GT has more power and supposedly better suspension than a 2015-2017, do they care about that? No. New cars should be better than old cars, it helps convince people to trade up to the latest model.

IF a PP2 is equal to a GT350 or is close on it's heals, then it's time to make the GT350 better. Or bring on the GT500.

 

[68fbjjz109]

A few things:

1. That's an entirely different model of car. Ford doesn't really have a car to match up with the Camaro/Corvette dynamic (the GT is in another league from the Corvette entirely) and neither GT350 can hang with the top trim C7 either. The GT350 like it or not is just another trim level of the same car and the sales demo is going to be more similar between the Mustang GT and GT350 than the one between the Camaro and Corvette. Honestly, the GT350 is more of a SS 1LE competitor than anything.
2. The C7 Z06 was put around the ring in 7:13.9 by a German magazine known for putting out conservative times whereas Chevy's own claim for the Camaro ZL1 1LE with their own pro driver at the wheel was a 7:16.04 lap. IIRC Chevy tested the C7 Z06 at the ring but wrecked the car and never tried to set an official time again. Watch the YouTube video of both laps, the magazine wasn't pushing the C7 Z06 nearly as hard as Chevy was pushing the ZL1 1LE.
3. The C7 ZR1 is coming and I'd bet you any amount of money it's going to put down a sub-7 ring time.
4. Ford still has to make a business case to sell two relatively low-volume high performance cars that are trending towards being identical to each other. There's no way a really strong PP Level 2 won't cannibalize sales of the GT350 from the track rat crowd.

I don't think it will cannibalize sales at all. I want a GT350. I may very well get one in the future. But two things have to change. I need to make more, or they need to get a little cheaper.

The Gt350 will always be unique, and will always be sought after for what it is. It engine will always offer advantages over everything else because of how it makes power in space and time. That is what Ford got right.

Ford lost a sale of GT350 when I couldn't get one at sticker.

If Ford sold essentially a coyote powered GT350 with maybe less unique body panels in the 40's. I would trade up. I am eager to see what PP2 really is, and how good of a deal it is compared to the 1LE in terms of price and performance. If it gets Sport Cup 2's that is a really good indication.

 

[Childs Play]

Honestly, the majority of people that bought the performance pack. Don't track their cars. They buy the performance pack. So they can say they have the performance pack. The real track guys go aftermarket.

This thing has the GT performance pack. It's got 435 horsepower. It goes 0-60 in about 4.5 seconds.

(Sorry. That whole adding the performance pack just to say they have it made me think of this... lol)

 

[millhouse]

Ford lost a sale of GT350 when I couldn't get one at sticker.

Except, they didn't lose a sale...as they have a set allotment of GT350s and they sell every single one of them.

This is important, because it allows Ford to push the limits on the MY18 GTs without crushing the toes of GT350 owners.

The GT350 will always be more valuable, as it has a unique body and an engine that will never be offered for the mustang GT.

Those serious about racing with a GT350 will always be faster (trackwise) than S550 base GTs....as it has a massive powerband and a hell of a lot more horsepower to start off.

As for the 1/4 mile...everyone knows they weren't made to be 1/4 mile beasts. The MY18 Gt very well might beat them in the 1/4 mile....but while the GT will be trapping 114mph...the GT350 will be trapping 118mph.

 

[Nanashii]

Agreed also. Add the wider forged wheels, cloth recaros and if rear brembos and active exhaust is part of the package I can see it being $48k+ maybe they'd add some coolers and make it an even $50k.

Is it confirmed the PP2 wheels will be forged? I think PP2 will be PP + recaros, magneride, active exhaust and the wider wheels/cup 2s coming in at $45-$46k. $48-$50k will be ridiculous unless the PP2 is a GT350 with the Coyote/MT82.

 

[68fbjjz109]

Except, they didn't lose a sale...as they have a set allotment of GT350s and they sell every single one of them.

They did loose a sale. There are plenty of them on lots. But yes you are right they will eventually sell them all. But not necessarily within the same calendar year. How many new 2016 GT 350's are still on lots...


The point is, I am looking for a certain level of performance, and will pay a certain amount for it. I think the GT350 is worth its MSRP. I couldn't get one when I was in the market so I bought the most performance oriented Mustang I could. Base GTPP with Recaros.

If the 1LE was out then, I may have bought it.

People buy Shelby's for alot of reasons and even if there was a Mustang package with near 1LE/GT350 performance. I don't think it would cut into GT350 sales in MY18 because even after three years it's still special, within it's segment and outside of it.

That being said I think there is a place for a performance package that is near GT350 level performance in the line up. I think that well do well for the Mustang overseas aswell.

 

[trekkar]

If it was 48-50k for a PP2 or MSRP for a gt350 I'd go with the 350 even if the performance #s were similar. But after a few months that PP2 is going to go for 8-10k off then I would lean PP2.

I would think every manufacture sells every car eventually.

 

[ALUSA]

Let's compare that to your prior statement:



So which is it, base or flagship? Because the flagship Corvette is the Z06, and will soon be the ZR1.

Nobody is denying that a higher end Camaro can beat the base Corvette. But the point has been made by myself and others that comparing the Camaro to the Corvette isn't the same as comparing the Mustang GT to the Mustang GT350. The Corvette is a different demographic compared to the other three.

Flagship as in Corvette being their current best sports car line up. NOT BEST OF CORVETTES! 1LE SS is not a high end camaro, its an ss with a track pack on it, similar to the old mustang gt tp or current mustang gt pp. As soon as GT350 entered the price range of a Corvette, it is a fair game.

Its all about how much money you are spending. Without money in the equation, you can't compare anything. If i m looking for a performance car i m not going to get beyond my budget. I will get what is best in my budget. This can be a Corvette, a GT350 or a ZL1 Camaro. Question comes down to which one offers the best performance for the money? I don't give two cents of one has a back seat or not. You can get a truck, suv, or a car if you really want a back seat. They all have enough trunk space as is.

 

[Cardude99]

Keep in mind while the gt350 is in the price caregory of a z51 corvette it has one clear advantage, room. The shelby's, hellcats, and zl1's of the world while being priced at corvette levels are way roomier than a vette, and that matters.

I'm a big guy and while I can get into a vette or a viper it's not fun. Way more comfortable in one of the other 3. So while price and performance wise they may be in similar categories, I doubt many cross shop the two. Also corvettes are a dime a dozen, I see at least 6 every time I drive. Only ever see a special edition pony car once in a blue moon, they are just not that common.

Just wanted to throw that out there as it erks me when people start comparing mustangs to corvettes. Most people that buy these cars can easily afford a vet or better but they choose a pony/muscle car. I have to imagine rarity and size play a big factor, as they do for me. Also even skinny people like more room dont lie lol.

By the way only talking front seat room not back.

 

[TomcatDriver]

They did loose a sale. There are plenty of them on lots. But yes you are right they will eventually sell them all. But not necessarily within the same calendar year. How many new 2016 GT 350's are still on lots...

Every GT350 I have seen on a lot has had ADM over $10K. At MSRP there would be zero on the lots.

 

[TomcatDriver]

Honestly, the majority of people that bought the performance pack. Don't track their cars. They buy the performance pack. So they can say they have the performance pack. The real track guys go aftermarket.

I think a lot of people get the PP because they find the stock GT ride too soft and like the brakes and don't want to cobble together an aftermarket solution.

 

[ALUSA]

A year after the 2018 mustang is released there will be ton on them on the lots for a lot less than the msrp. If the car even gets as fast as the gt350, imagine the fun you can have for a lot less money.

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