2018 M6 0-60 sub 4

[ImBetterDude]

Hey all,

Was gonna buy a 2015 RS2 with Roush blower kit but deal fell through. Which is sad.

Happier news is I've re-oriented myself and realize now that I'd appreciate buying a newer ride with warranty and slowly build my own supercar over the years. Goal is now to get a 2018+ Mustang GT with performance package, maybe a premium because I'm a rube.

While the A10 is objectively faster, I just can't get excited about owning an A10. I want a stick, but I also want the car to accelerate optimally off the line. Sucks so bad that the A10 is literally a half second faster to 60!

What are the most efficient ways I can reach sub 4.0 second gallops to 60 mph in a manual 2018 GT? I know if I drop $15k on a blower and wheels that I'd be there, but I'd also torch way too much money and my warranty. Are there more cost effective ways to get there?

I'm assuming this is impossible without tuning, which would mean achieving my goal would cost me my warranty. But I'd be happy to learn I was wrong!

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[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Tunes alone are only worth 10-12 rwhp. So, your assumption about the tune isn't necessarily correct - tunes are not a game changer. Lower rear gearing (i.e., 4.10s) and street drag radial tire would probably get you close; as long as you know how to drive a stick well. But I can't say for sure since I haven't gone down that path myself - I'll be curious to see what others have done w/ the M6 to get sub-4 second 0-60 runs. I know that isn't very exotic, but the lower gearing amplifies the torque at the rear wheels, so it should pull harder, just requires shifting a bit sooner.

I was a manual only guy, too. However, I decided on the A10 since it was so much quicker than the M6 and trapped +4 to 5 mph in the 1/4 mile over the M6. That mph gap is huge for the same weight/same engine.

A few weeks ago I did 0-60 in 3.80 seconds with my bone stock A10 PP1 on my winter Michelin pilot sport all season 3+ tires and Sport+ mode (not drag mode because the tires spun too much on the 1-2 and 2-3 shift causing power reduction, increasing the times). Most people here haven't been able to get that quick of a time with a stock A10 GT, IIRC, but the A10 is the easiest way to get sub-4 second 0-60 passes if you can get off the line well.

 

[Cody5.0]

I went from a 2018 GT PP2 to a 2019 GT PP1 A10. My biggest gripe about the 2018+ manual is the ratios. My 2014 GT TP was numerically too high while the newer MT-82D4 is numerically too low. Ford should’ve went with a happy medium. I always thought FP 4.09s in the rear would help the M6 alot.

 

[ImBetterDude]

Y'all think I'd be around 4.0 with a 2018 GT w/ PP1, fatter wheels & tires, and FBO w/ tune on 93 oct?

 

[Dave2013M3]

Gears would go along way towards your goal. The reason why the A10 is so much quicker is the ratios. BTW, a recent Car and Driver ran a PP2 car 0-60 in 4.1 seconds. So a 4.09:1 gear set will go along way to doing this. More importantly the 1/4 mile time and mph will be helped as well.

Dave

 

[jmeiers]

What is this 93 you speak of? Some kind of sippy-cup juice?

 

[ImBetterDude]

I found a PP2 for sale but was like 8 hours late, sold for $33k with 8k miles one owner 2019 car. So beautiful.

So those of you with blower kits and tunes and wider wheels, you sub 4 0-60? Or do you need slicks to do this and it's bordeline impossible on the street without f***ing with gearing as others above describe?

 

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Gears would go along way towards your goal. The reason why the A10 is so much quicker is the ratios. BTW, a recent Car and Driver ran a PP2 car 0-60 in 4.1 seconds. So a 4.09:1 gear set will go along way to doing this. More importantly the 1/4 mile time and mph will be helped as well.

Dave

I don't think any Coyote M6 has hit 0-60 in 4.1 sec, in the magazines...quickest I recall is 4.4 - care to post the C&D article you've mentioned?

 

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

I found a PP2 for sale but was like 8 hours late, sold for $33k with 8k miles one owner 2019 car. So beautiful.

So those of you with blower kits and tunes and wider wheels, you sub 4 0-60? Or do you need slicks to do this and it's bordeline impossible on the street without f***ing with gearing as others above describe?

FI pretty much negates the need for the gear change with all that additional torque that you can't use on the street anyway. When you're talking 700+hp, it's a matter of babying the throttle adequately to do 0-60 in less than 4 seconds. I'm not sure here who has done it on the street.

And again, if you don't drive a stick well, then good times are harder to come by.

 

[Dave2013M3]

I don't think any Coyote M6 has hit 0-60 in 4.1 sec, in the magazines...quickest I recall is 4.4 - care to post the C&D article you've mentioned?

Ask and you shall receive..https://www.caranddriver.com/review...ck-level-2-vs-2019-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350/

 

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

They use what amounts to 3-60 times.

If you measured car and driver times with a draggy it would be more like 4.4-4.5.

All the magazine publications do this, to mimic the rollout at a drag strip. At least it gives an apples to apples comparison from one magazine time to the next. I would bet Dragy offers a 1-foot rollout option (although I'm not sure).

What's crazy is how fast some high hp AWD cars go in that first foot. I think the 911 Turbo S hits something like 6 mph in that first foot. So the 0-60 time for the 911 Turbo S is actually a 6-60 mph time. I think most cars are going 2-3 mph in that first foot so the Porsche, because of it's hard launch, has an advantage in the time more than just the AWD hooking up beyond the 1-foot mark - it doesn't have as many mph worth being timed (54 mph vs. 57-58 mph for most cars). Interestingly, the 1-foot rollout for the PP2 in that article linked above is 0.4 seconds. That seems like a really long time to go 1 foot - almost half a second.

 

[Dave2013M3]

All the magazine publications do this, to mimic the rollout at a drag strip. At least it gives an apples to apples comparison from one magazine time to the next. I would bet Dragy offers a 1-foot rollout option (although I'm not sure).

What's crazy is how fast some high hp AWD cars go in that first foot. I think the 911 Turbo S hits something like 6 mph in that first foot. So the 0-60 time for the 911 Turbo S is actually a 6-60 mph time. I think most cars are going 2-3 mph in that first foot so the Porsche, because of it's hard launch, has an advantage in the time more than just the AWD hooking up beyond the 1-foot mark - it doesn't have as many mph worth being timed (54 mph vs. 57-58 mph for most cars). Interestingly, the 1-foot rollout for the PP2 in that article linked above is 0.4 seconds. That seems like a really long time to go 1 foot - almost half a second.

Exactly, the question to me was whether or not a magazine recorded a 0-60 time of 4.1..yes there was and I posted it.

 

[Meatball]

OP, is E85 available in your area? It would kill your warranty but the gen3s respond especially well to it.

Ive found 0-60 to be kind of a poor metric for cars as fast as coyote powered GTs. Depends too much on how the car is set up for a hole shot and other factors like whether or not a 2-3 shift (MT) is necessary.

If you’re interested in drag racing et is better and if you’re interested in “power feel”, trap speed. But anyway, for 0-60, neglecting traction issues, for the same car at similar power levels the 0-60 changes will roughly be linearly related to changes in power to weight. So if the 0-60 stock is, say, 4.2 for the manual (C&D got 4.3, 4.3, 4.2....and I can’t see the numbers from that comparison w the GT350 on my little phone), and the car weighs 3820 and has 470 at the crank, it would need about 36 additional crank hp (+7.7%) to hit 60 in 3.9. Lots of assumptions there, but that’s probably about right. The FRPP pack wouldn’t quite get you there, but it plus a rear end change to >4.00 might if you had the traction. I don’t know if swapping the diff would kill the warranty but the FRPP would effectively drop it to a 3/36 for the powertrain.

if the warranty isn’t a big deal, you’d easily get there with an e85 fueling system and tune. And, you could probably get a Roush phase 1 blower system for under $10K installed without other (recommended) mods. That would also get you a good 3/36 warranty from Roush but if you’re thinking of a 2018 the clock is running out on 3 years.

 

[Andy13186]

I had a manual 2003 GT, I had a manual 2011 GT (broke it, nightmare transmission - the mt82 is the worst transmission ive had) and I had a 2009 TR6060 CTS-V which was the best manual transmission ive had by far, then I got a 2018 10r80 GT and paddle shifting this car with the different transmission modes is the most fun ive had in any car. You can basically put it into powershift mode with drag mode, then switch to track mode that keeps traction on the shifts. Having 10 speeds the RPMS barely drop on shifts, you stay right where you want to in the RPM range you never drop out of power. I am in paddle mode 100% of the time if the weather is good and after the car is warm.

 

[AZ18yote]

LTH, tune for e85, lighter wheels (pp1 or freaking boat anchors), Baer Eradispeed light weight rotor replacements for the heavy rotors that come with the Brembo kit on the pp1, QA1 Carbon Fiber drive shaft, something sticky out back like 555r (can still actually handle rain despite being a DR) and you'll be golden.

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