2014 Z28 Assault Thread.

[thePill]

Placing such a large restrictor on the LS7 could lead to the same problems the Boss 302S faced in competition, overheating due to leaning out. The Ford teams all parked in protest, and were soon allowed a break. Regardless of limiting it's power, the car should have an advantage in torque over it's rivals, which would negate it needing to rev very high at all.

A friend running in the Roar has told me the Stevenson cars are very fast, and may be adjusted yet again before the race.

The sad thing is that all the restrictions negate any comparison between it and it's competitors, as well as the street version of the Z/28.

Great observation!!! I remember some 302.R1's that had engine failures mid-season in 2011. The Boss did win 1/3rd of the season races, which expedited the restrictions... It still failed to capture the championship by 8 points if I remember correctly. It was a combined effort, Roush wasn't the only fast Boss. The Boss 302S had similar issues during the 2012 season when the SCCA caught on. Paul Brown and Tiger Racing won 6 races that season and the championship... also tied Parnelli Jone's old SCCA record in the 1970 Boss 302... THAT IS HERITAGE!!! and a strong dose of irony. Kinda picked up right where it left off in 1970.

The Boss 302R and Boss 302S has almost 25 Pro wins in just 3 seasons in Grand Am GS and SCCA GTS alone. That is winning...

Here is the original press release from Ford Racing.

FORD RACING UNVEILS THE NEXT GENERATION OF RACING MUSTANG IN THE NEW BOSS 302R

DEARBORN, Mich., Dec. 28, 2009 – Forty years after its namesake became a road racing legend, the BOSS is back on track for 2010 with a new 5.0-liter V-8 engine.

In honor of the 40th anniversary of Parnelli Jones' 1970 Trans-Am championship in a Mustang BOSS 302 prepared by Bud Moore Engineering, Ford Racing is introducing the BOSS 302R, a factory-built race car ready for track days and road racing in a number of Grand-Am, SCCA and NASA classes.

"To keep pace with consumer demand, the Ford team has built modern versions of the most iconic performance Mustangs over the years," said Jamie Allison, director, Ford North America Motorsports. "From Shelbys to Bullitt, Mach and Cobra Jet, it is now time for BOSS to join the list of America's most coveted Mustangs. The original BOSS 302 was a championship-winning legend and the new Mustang BOSS 302R will carry on the tradition. The Mustang was born to race from the start, and this new Mustang is bred to win."

The Mustang BOSS 302R is a serialized off-road-only vehicle ready to race. Each base model will come with a 5.0-liter four-valve engine and a six-speed manual transmission with a roll cage, race seats, safety harness, data acquisition and race dampers/springs, and a Brembo brake and tire package, starting at an MSRP of $79,000.
And, with a special Grand-Am Homologation Package (M-FR500-BOSS R1), it will also be ready to compete in the Grand-Am Continental Tire Sports Car Challenge series (formerly known as KONI Challenge), starting with the season-opening race in Daytona on Jan. 29, 2010. As of today, five BOSS 302R race cars will be delivered to customers ready to race in Daytona. MSRP of the BOSS 302R1 is $129,000.

The Grand-Am Continental Tire Sports Car Challenge-ready Mustang BOSS 302R will feature a sealed high-output race engine with an upgraded cooling system, a close-ratio six-speed transmission with integral shifter, a seam-welded body, race suspension/KONI dampers and ABS brake tuning, race performance exhaust and a high-speed balance one-piece driveshaft.
The BOSS 302R follows in the very successful footsteps of its most recent road racing predecessor – the Mustang FR500C from Ford Racing. In 2005, when the Mustang FR500C debuted at Daytona, the first car was delivered on Wednesday of that week and won the KONI Challenge race on Friday.

In five years of competition since then, the Mustang FR500C has won three Triple Crown championships of driver, team and manufacturer's titles in KONI competition including back-to-back (2008 and 2009). The FR500C has also seen success in FIA GT4 competition winning the 2007 and 2008 driver's championships.

"We expect the BOSS 302R to continue the successful tradition of winning with factory-built production-based race cars from Ford Racing," said Allison. "The FR500C and FR500S road racing Mustangs, and the Mustang FR500CJ (Cobra Jet) for drag racing have proven to be great cars for our customers, helping teams win races and championships. We believe that the BOSS 302R will provide that same sort of competitive product for our customers with the tradition you can only get from Ford Racing." Each Ford Racing factory-built production-based turnkey race car has won its competition debut.

"Racing has long served as a technical proving grounds for production engines," said Allison. "What's good enough for the streets is now good enough for the racetrack. The 5.0-liter block and architecture in the Mustang BOSS 302R is the same as the 2011 Mustang GT."

"We have a great team on the BOSS 302R project," said Andy Slankard, Ford Racing engineering supervisor and the lead engineer on the BOSS 302R project. "Between our partners at AutoAlliance International, where the Mustang is built, Team Mustang, Multimatic and the entire Ford Racing team, we have once again proven to be a leader in turnkey production-based race cars."

Available through Ford dealers, a total of 50 BOSS 302R Mustangs will be built by Ford Racing. Delivery is anticipated in the third quarter of 2010.

For more information on Ford Racing Performance Parts, please visit www.fordracingparts.com.
​

I see there is a slight difference in the Boss 302R and the Boss 302R1, most likely series and class spec'd.

Ha Ha......so this race car might even be slower than the regular z28.....LOL

Actually AoN, the Z/28.R will be tuned to run almost exactly the same lap time as the the rest of the pack including the GS.R. This is what I observed and why I came to the conclusion that the 2014 z28 is all a total marketing campaign and NOT a serious attempt at Motorsport AoN...

IF there is no real advantage to switching from the GS.R to the Z/28.R, then this Z/28.R purpose is to further inflate the "Z/28 name and the '14 z28 itself. The Z/28 is even further from the '14 z28 than the GS.R was from the SS... It's insane.

When Ford was engineering the Boss 302R (built before the OEM Boss), they started in the 2010 season... They finished 4th, in a JBA Motorsport's Boss 302 GT... The Stevenson GS.R finished right behind it in it's first Pro-race appearance... The Boss still won't let the Camaro any glory.

What Team Camaro has done is, missed out on years of R&D during real competitive events and endurance racing. One of the few things that IMSA finally let the Camaro have was an almost unrestricted LS3 where everyone else had major restrictions of some sort or weight penalty. They changed the engine to the LS7... but are forced to only output the same LS3 levels of power. They have literally stirred the rulebook up for nothing...

Here is a history lesson, one between Porsche and the awesome Z06 based C6.R. Once the Corvette started to even show a sign of domination in ALMS (under IMSA), they had the LS7 limited to 5.5 liters. Last year, ALMS merged with Grand Am thus, encompassing both ALMS and Grand Am under IMSA.

The same Team Porsche that had the LS7's wings clipped before is about to go head to head with the Z/28.R. The Z/28.R has very little in common with the 2014 z28, they should be ashamed of themselves for even releasing that statement in the press release. Another blatant shot at their own fan base and enthusiast. Don't treat people like that, it is seriously not cool.

I was told that Team Camaro had to fight to get the LS7 approved with Grand Am, the timing of the ALMS/Grand Am merger may have slowed things down. I also heard that when the deal was met for the LS7, the ALMS/IMSA take over wasn't taken into consideration. In other words, it wasn't set in stone at the time Grand Am approved the LS7... Now that IMSA has taken over, the LS7 may come under fire from IMSA and not Porsche.

Either way, they missed the opportunity to market the 2014 z28 as "Race Bred"... If they do try to pull that shit, the R&D pulled from the Daytona race will be the only race engineering that went into the April bound 2014 z28. All the research and development that Team Camaro performed at a single race in 2014 was poured into the factory, 2014 z28... Nah, doesn't really sound that great...


Who knows AoN, they could have very well developed a REAL, 2014 Z/28 using the Boss 302 method... but no...

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[JohnZiraldo]

Looks like Multimatic is ready to get started with a current Boss 302R.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?....305989002758823.83692.124360720921653&type=1

 

[thePill]

Looks like Multimatic is ready to get started with a current Boss 302R.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?....305989002758823.83692.124360720921653&type=1

OHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! MULTIMATIC's BOSS 302 ON THE POLE, SECOND YEAR STRAIGHT, BREAKS OWN TRACK RECORD FROM LAST YEAR.

Jade Buford won his second consecutive Continental Tire SportsCar Challenge pole for the BMW Performance 200 at Daytona International Speedway on Thursday, running a lap of 1:55.824 (110.651mph) in the No. 15 Multimatic Motorsports

Ford Mustang Boss 302.R co-driven by Scott Maxwell.​

Buford, who broke his own track record, will be joined on the front row by Nick Longhi, second fastest in the Grand Sport (GS) class with a lap of 1:56.105 (110.383mph) in the No. 13 Rum Bum Racing Porsche 911. A year ago, Buford won his first career pole with a lap of 109.977mph in a Multimatic Motorsports Aston Martin Vantage.​

The two-hour, 30-minute race begins at 1:45 p.m. ET on Friday. Round 1 of the 2014 Continental Tire SportsCar Challenge will be televised on FOX Sports 2 on Friday at 6 p.m. ET.​

Irony would be the same School Bus Yellow, Boss 302 would win a Grand Am Championship it's last year, as the 1970 Boss 302 won the Trans Am Championship in the '70 season. You will be missed...

Don't forget this guy!!! (Edit: Team Roush is not competing in GS this year, might be '15 development)

 

[thePill]

EDIT: This was last years posting, I think Porsche is 2nd and cannot find who Q'd 3rd. Multimatic's Boss 302 is on the pole... Great return guys, eager to test the '15 no doubt.

OLD LINKS, Disregard.

EDIT: I see Bell's Camaro in 4th, I think Bell is driving the GS.R still...

CKS is running two Camaro's this year?, the GS.R and the Z/28.R. I can't tell which one is which.

EDIT: Those links are from 2012, 2013... Buford just gets pole position twice and Roush is always in the top 3... I can't find the top 3 anywhere.

They are saying the teams are not running two cars, they are sitting 5th and 8th.

This is confirmed...

Edit: Team Roush is not in GS this year... I think all three cars were retired. So long guys, hope the '15 is a blast! I hope to see them run a Mustang in a GT class, soon

This is the greatest opportunity to win a championship for Team Camaro. If the engine isn't too restricted, the LS7's powerband may give the Camaro a better advantage. That and no weight penalty... The LS7 is a weight penalty anyway.




For the record, this is the baddest looking 5th Gen of all time...

This was the Z/28 :( The Z/28 was developed in Trans Am, Just as the '69-'70 and '12-'13 Boss 302 in Grand Am. The factory cars were made only to please the rules in their class. The OEM cars were a byproduct of the real thing... Not the other way around...

Today, certain things are waivered for every model, it actually gives road racing a lot of depth. I honestly have no idea what is going on here. This is a U-Turn, 180 and 4 left turns...

 

[FATTBoss]

I concur on the Camaro pictured being the best 5th gen ever. I also find it ironic that ole #15 in school bus yellow is on pole. I know who I'll be cheering for tomorrow!

 

[thePill]

DO NOT POST ANY RESULTS FROM THE BMW PERFORMANCE 200.

There are people that want to watch the replay at 6pm...

PLEASE, NO COMMENTS ON THE FINISH, POSITIONS of MAKES or anything concerning the race today.

We will discuss the results later, embargo lifts at 9pm tonight...

Thank you and enjoy the race!!!


For those that can't wait, the results are here...

SPOILER!!!! SPOILER!!!! SPOILER!!! SPOILER!!!!
http://scoring.imsa.com/sportscar-challenge/

 

[Grimace427]

What channel or is it online?




edit: Fox Sports 2

 

[thePill]

First off, Congratulations to BMW for not only winning the BMW Performance 200, but also finishing 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and hell... even 6th!!! Good god, first the Steelers and now this. Both in which are in a transition. Out with the old, in with the new. Congratulations Team Multimatic for the pole position start and this BEAUTIFUL picture.

The Boss 302's finished 9th, 10th and 11th. Not bad but not great...

Speaking of new, the new Z/28.R ran it's very first race today. The #1 CLK Z/28.R finished 13th and the #9 Stevenson car finished 55th...

That's not a good start... In fact, it's a shame because Stevenson had a fast Camaro GS.R last year. Here is some of the issues with the Z/28.R already...

First, it's built by Pratt Miller, same as the GS.R was built by Riley Technologies. This is dumb... Another thing is restrictions. Remember I said the LS7 would make the Camaro take on another 100lbs?

Chevrolet
Camaro Z
/
28
.R
GS
P
rovided by Chevrolet, built by Pratt Miller
and as approved by IMSA.
Final
Drive: 3.73
Fuel capacity:
20.5
gal.
Refueling Restrictor: 1.0 inch
Weight: 3400
Engine Restrictor:
80.
0 mm
Maximum RPM: 6
9
00
Engine shall be sealed by GM Powertrain.
Vehicle is conditionally approved per the preliminary Homologation document which shall be finalized prior to the next Event.
Vehicle is granted a waiver on Article 2
-
1.1 of the Technical Regulations

Up from the GS.R's 3300lbs minimum, it now stands at 3400lbs. Almost 100lbs heavier than the heaviest competitor. I know 100lbs isn't that critical, some Boss 302R's could be equipped with GT500 rear disc, which takes the Boss from 3315 to 3360lbs...

The real downer is the HUGE 80mm Engine restrictor. The Boss 302R's 57mm was bad, 80mm is just awesome!!! The full specs of the Pratt Miller Camaro will be published before Sebring. It will likely have these upgrades to bring the weight of the pig down.

Approved Modifications
Caliper upgrade as per rules

Battery relocation to right rear of trunk.
Fuel Cell required mounting behind rear axle. Mounting to be with short axis of fuel cell can along length of car &

long axis along height of car.


Permitted replacement components
Rear toe link offset bushing
Single piece drive shaft
Light weight doors
Light weight hood
Light weight deck lid
Rear brake caliper from V-6 model

Aftermarket RAM single-disc Clutch/Flywheel. (P/N TBD)
Inner Lower Control arm spherical bearings
Rear upright upper arm bearing

This Z/28.R has nothing in common with the 2014 z28. It's the same thing as the GS.R and the ZL1 in the SCCA. You can't build a race car backwards guys, you start on the track, on the circuit and in the series. Then, the factory offering is dumb'd down to meet manufacturer requirements or homologation. They should have seen this coming, and it's going to be difficult for Team Camaro to get that 80mm engine restrictor removed. The Boss wears a 57mm and the M3 has a 38mm x 2 restriction... The GS.R had ZERO restrictions, this is why the GS.R did so well last year (2nd Overall).

What an awful chain of events that had to unfold (or flop). A race car marketed as "the 2014 z28" but is noting more than an LS7 Riley Camaro, now built by Pratt Miller. An OEM car marketed as a race car that can not be sanctioned, as is OEM, anywhere. The Z/28.R has undergone major changes... If you look at the Boss, M3 and 997, they are pretty damn close to the OEM cars. Even some of the replacement equipment is OEM from another Mustang (GT500).

Stevenson had finally got to run an LS3 unrestricted AND, they finally got the weight down to the minimum 3300lbs with the Riley lightweight panels. They bring in a now 80mm restricted LS7 and an additional 100lbs penalty. The Carbon Ceramic brakes are gone, the Multimatic Coil-overs are gone... Multimatic didn't even use the Multimatic shocks on the Boss 302 they ran.

The 305 Pirelli's Trofeo's in all four corners IS pretty much all of what the '14 z28 is. Or at least where it's advantage over the ZL1 is concerned.

I hope Ford and Team Mustang are watching and I hope they don't make the same mistakes. The 2005-2014 Mustang had a GREAT CAREER... Ford and Mustang have come along way since the FR500. I can't wait for the GT and the GT350.



THANKS FOR READING!!!

EDIT: Some may wonder where and how I get my info. I can never discuss those things openly, although, I try to mix some fun speculation in as much as I can. I hope my track record on exclusive info speaks for itself (2015 Mustang is the exception) and many of you continue to check in once in awhile...

...I must say this though, if my writings, speculation or hearsay offends any reader at any time, I urge you to stop reading what I post. It is your freedom to navigate the internet as you see fit. I do not offer my apologies to those that are offended, I merely question the compulsiveness of trying to prove me wrong...

 

[garagelogic]

...I must say this though, if my writings, speculation or hearsay offends any reader at any time, I urge you to stop reading what I post. It is your freedom to navigate the internet as you see fit. I do not offer my apologies to those that are offended, I merely question the compulsiveness of trying to prove me wrong...

That's funny!:lol: Only made moreso because it's so true! There are several vocal and/or prominent members of a certain website that monitor your posts to the degree that the NSA is jealous!

 

[FATTBoss]

Here's what I posted on Camaro5, I post there and at SVTP as "LostPony"

Quote:
Originally Posted by SamHouseIII View Post
I have to ask, are these real deal Z/28s or just Camaro bodies with body trim and racing parts?, I'm asking is this becasue the teams raced Camaro's before and aside from the front lip, i don't see Z/28 any where? Even on their web and facebook pages, I saw no mention of Z/28s?

Heck I do see SS on the grills of the Pictures from Stevenson? end quote

It's not quite the same car. While it shares the body and driveline, the suspension is different and so is the brake package. It is also detuned to around the HP limit for the class which is 400 +/- a few ponies.

The Camaro seemed to suffer on the straights, but seemed to do well on the infield section. The Porsches continue to dominate as they have since it's introduction despite repeated "competition adjustments". I continue to scream "SANDBAGGING!" but since I'm stuck yelling that at the TV, no one hears me.

The BMW dominance wasn't really a surprise as they came on strong at the end of last season at COTA after getting a break on the restrictions they had. Despite the finishing order, the Porsche was obviously faster, even on the oval. Aston Martin won't really be a threat this year as Multimatic has gone back to Ford this year, so there aren't any top tier teams fielding an Aston.

The Mustang Boss 302 being on pole was a surprise, even to Multimatic, as it's now the oldest platform in the class, and I'm sure the focus for Multimatic is on developing the new Mustang platform which is scheduled to debut in August on the track.

Hopefully GM gets through the teething issues, which I think they will since the GS.R from last year was looking pretty strong, especially at Indy.

This is why I love the Continental series, a little politics, but damn good racing!
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[FATTBoss]

Oh, and 80 mm?! restrictor? My god that's insane!

 

[JohnZiraldo]

... The GS.R had ZERO restrictions, this is why the GS.R did so well last year (2nd Overall)....

Why Zero? How does this work?
The Camaro is doing well, finishes 2nd overall, and the Mustang is restricted? How in the hell is this game being played?

Doesn't seem like a level playing field to me. Why would I want to watch it?

 

[Pablo GT350]

I'm sure the focus for Multimatic is on developing the new Mustang platform which is scheduled to debut in August on the track.

Well this is good news. Can't wait for that!

Now the BMW and Porsche dominance is going to get old fast. Let's see what happens at Sebring.

 

[JohnZiraldo]

Back in 2011, I was a corner marshal at the bottom of Andretti Straight at Mosport in Toronto when the Mustangs were pounding the GT competition, running first through sixth, except for one BMW running in third. I was dancing with giddiness every time the Mustang pack went by.

Suddenly the second place Mustang pulled over to the side of the track with apparent engine problems. No smoke, oil, water etc. Just pulled over and stopped. No big deal right. Still going to finish first through fifth, with one BMW in the mix. Then the fifth place car pulled over and parked behind the second. Oh!Oh! What's going on?

Shortly thereafter the race ended with two Mustangs on the podium, then the two parked Mustangs fired up and drove off to the pits. What??? What happened?

Since that was the last race of the day, I hurried into the pits as fast as possible and went looking for Dean Martin whom I had talked to earlier in the day. I wanted to know what happened. I was dumbfounded to learn that the Mustangs were facing another weight or restrictor penalty if they all finished one through five.

It seems like BMW, Porsche, or Camaro dominance is OK but Mustang dominance is not.

I never enjoyed another race after that and soon withdrew from marshaling and lost my interest in racing.

 

[Pablo GT350]

Politics is a bitch. I realize they have to keep costs under control. I hope IMSA understands the fans are watching and won't put up with too much BS.

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