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[roygriffin2020]

I am not sure why when "paper racers" are shown facts, but still throw in opinion like that means anything.

I still stand on facts.

GT500 - 60-0.... 94 feet

ZLE - 60 - 0 .... 91 feet

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[millhouse]

I am not sure when "paper racers" are shown facts, but still thrown in opinion like that means anything.

I still stand on facts.

GT500 - 60-0.... 94 feet

ZLE - 60 - 0 .... 91 feet

Ok, you are both an idiot and ignorant. I'm not wasting any more time with you on this subject.

 

[02gtnh]

Ok, you really don’t get it. That explains things.

Last time...the Gt500 doesn’t need those brakes to stop in that distance. Smaller pads and rotors would be quite capable if doing the same. The advantage the larger brakes carry is in their ability to shed heat to reduce or eliminate brake fade after multiple stops. This I’ve mentioned previously.

So when you question why the Gt500 holds and advantage with its rotors size, it’s in its ability to eliminate any trace of brake fade on the stock setup lap after lap.

The ZLE has been proven to experience brake fade in as little as 5 laps. Larger brakes aren’t needed to stop faster, but they would eliminate brake fade.

Understand?

Where have you seen brake fade on a zl1 1le? This is a first I’ve heard. The only time this seem to happen is when they don’t change the brake fluid. All track cars need to do that.

 

[millhouse]

Where have you seen brake fade on a zl1 1le? This is a first I’ve heard.

I linked the article, it took 5 hot laps.

Also, this is known in the Camaro forums. The fix is to swap out to better brake fluid and upgrade to better brake pads.

 

[millhouse]

Here it is again...

" It was the iron-rotor brakes, which carry over from the regular ZL1, and not the tires that kept us from turning more than five hot laps at a time; the pedal gets a little long on the fifth lap."

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15082238/2018-chevrolet-camaro-zl1-1le-test-review/

 

[02gtnh]

Here it is again...

" It was the iron-rotor brakes, which carry over from the regular ZL1, and not the tires that kept us from turning more than five hot laps at a time; the pedal gets a little long on the fifth lap."

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15082238/2018-chevrolet-camaro-zl1-1le-test-review/

you missed the next sentence.

Even so, few cars feel as stable while braking in corners as the 1LE.

but, is there a car who can use stock brake fluid and not get any fade? Most who track, change fluid. I would guess the gt500 track guys will also.

 

[JohnnyUtah]

you missed the next sentence.

Even so, few cars feel as stable while braking in corners as the 1LE.

but, is there a car who can use stock brake fluid and not get any fade? Most who track, change fluid. I would guess the gt500 track guys will also.

I have never tracked a car without swapping fluid. It is a safety issue. No cars that I'm aware of come with sufficient brake fluid from the factory.

 

[JohnnyUtah]

So it sounds like there have been reviews where the pedal gets spongy for both cars. Not unusual for heavy cars.... also likely a stock brake line issue which can swell when hot and pushed hard. Swap fluid, add stainless lines.

 

[millhouse]

you missed the next sentence.

Even so, few cars feel as stable while braking in corners as the 1LE.

but, is there a car who can use stock brake fluid and not get any fade? Most who track, change fluid. I would guess the gt500 track guys will also.

Again, the sentence you are referencing doesn’t matter in regards to fade. I didn’t miss it. It’s not relevant.

And no, most don’t replace brake fluid. Die hard enthusiasts do.

 

[millhouse]

So it sounds like there have been reviews where the pedal gets spongy for both cars. Not unusual for heavy cars.... also likely a stock brake line issue which can swell when hot and pushed hard. Swap fluid, add stainless lines.

not a single gt500 review has commented on brake fade....quite the opposite.

 

[02gtnh]

Again, the sentence you are referencing doesn’t matter in regards to fade. I didn’t miss it. It’s not relevant.

And no, most don’t replace brake fluid. Die hard enthusiasts do.

I beg to differ. If someone is buying a 1le or a CFTP gt500, they will change the fluid if they track it as that is the purpose of the car. If they buy just to show off, then what a waste.

 

[02gtnh]

not a single gt500 review has commented on brake fade....quite the opposite.

Almost all 1le reviews don’t mention brake fade either. The one you mentioned said they did 40 laps at 5 hot laps at a time. So let’s wait for a more track review then a instrument test they did with the gt500. Not saying it will, but I would guess the manual will say to change fluid.

 

[JohnnyUtah]

not a single gt500 review has commented on brake fade....quite the opposite.

Randy specifically mentioned the pedal got long on the 500. He had them bleed the fluid. These are the same words that were used in the ZLE review that you are harping on. Long pedal.

 

[JohnnyUtah]

And no, most don’t replace brake fluid. Die hard enthusiasts do.

Anyone who tracks cars higher than at a beginner level swaps their fluid. It is a safety issue.

Anyone who is at beginner level will never be going fast enough to boil fluid.

Serious question... do you actually track cars?

 

[02gtnh]

Randy specifically mentioned the pedal got long on the 500. He had them bleed the fluid. These are the same words that were used in the ZLE review that you are harping on. Long pedal.

You mean this from article.

Stopping this rig were perhaps the largest rotors (16.5 inches) and Brembo calipers I've yet to experience. Although the big Shelby could dive deep, deep into the tight corners VIR presents at the culmination of its long straights, it was here I could find my only real complaint: a bit of a long brake pedal, which was a little disconcerting at 170 mph. No fade but some squish. They even bled the brakes for me, yet both test Shelbys felt spongy

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