Ying and Yang - Modern Tech (2025 Model Y) vs Peak Analog Mechanics (GT350R)

[Gilberjj]

My dad came for a visit in his (new to him) 2025 Tesla Model Y, dual motor, long range.
We road-tripped it for about 4 hours. WOW. I'm blown away. The FSD (full-self drive) is ALREADY better than the average driver. I am seriously impressed. A Model Y may be my next vehicle. They make so much sense for the daily driver. It's about as quick as my GT350R, but quiet, efficient, spacious, convenient... etc.
I had to share this picture of my garage (I know, it's dirty). These two cars couldn't be more opposite.
On the left, it's peak modern technology. Electric, FSD, digital everything... etc.
On the right, the last gasp (albeit, epic) of a dying age. Mechanical, analog, visceral... etc.

In my opinion, this is nearly the perfect garage. Maybe an old beater truck for dump runs to round things off... I'm curious what this crowd will think of these cars. TBH, a car is a car. Somehow electric cars have become a political statement, which I think is misguided. You should buy the best car for your purposes. I have had an electric car since 2016 (2013 Nissan Leaf) and it's served us well. Electric cars are the future whether you like it or not. There are still use-cases where ICE cars are superior, but if you've never experienced a modern electric car, do yourself a favor and try one out with an open mind. For where I live in the Pacific Northwest, where we have high fuel prices and really low electricity prices, it's a no-brainer for the vast majority of non-commercial use vehicles.

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[honeybadger]

Agree that electric cars make a ton of sense for daily drivers. We daily a plug in hybrid and its awesome. 30 miles electric only does 95% of our daily needs with no fuel needed. Road trips great when needed as well. Would love a fully electric car at some point. Just haven't found one worth the $$ yet. Still too pricey for me (pretty much goes for all cars).

Can't do a Tesla personally. Parents had one for a couple months - drivetrain was amazing. But hated almost everything else. Too much interior noise and bouncy ride for 55k. Hated the ergonomics and cheap interior. And don't even get me started on the vision-only approach to FSD. Works great until it drives off a bridge. Tons of cool tech - but really not a fan of some of their strategic decisions - but I feel that way about 95% of car companies right now.

Such a weird time in the automotive space, IMHO. Cars like the GT500/GTD, Z06/ZR1, GT3RS, etc have really pushed what OEMs can build and deliver. But not sure it's good overall. Costs are absolutely bananas, cars being treated as investments, and the aftermarket is getting wrecked.

 

[Inthehighdesert]

Now this thread has some great potential for multiple pages. Ev gas here we go.

 

[SheepDog]

My dad came for a visit in his (new to him) 2025 Tesla Model Y, dual motor, long range.
We road-tripped it for about 4 hours. WOW. I'm blown away.

The new ones are much better looking in my opinion, and the performance version gets much better seats. Just be sure to lease it if you go this route. The value of these things tank super fast, unless of course you plan on paying cash for it and just keeping it. We've had a Model 3 Performance and a Model Y dual motor. Honestly, nothing bad to say about either of them. They did exactly what they were supposed to do. Never had a single issue with either of them.

 

[drought_buster]

I had an electric Dodge Charger and put 12.000 miles on it in about 9 months. For sure It was faster than my Gt350, but sometimes I just needed the real exhaust noise... if I hit the attack mode button on the steering wheel. it diverts the AC refrigant to the batteries removes the safeties from the electric motors, I could spin all 4 tires if I launched it from a red light. The front tires would just claw for traction at a cost of 3% of your battery per incident.
But, The range anxiety was real. You didn't dare leave the 100 mile radius without knowing where a working charger was and tested.
It cost me about $6 to charge it at home from 20%-80%. another $6 to go from 80%-100%. My electric bill went up about $250 a month.
If I went to a level 3 charger at a gas station, it was 40 minutes and $80 to go from 20%-80%.
For me, an electric car is too early. The infrastructure around me doesn’t support it yet. You really need 800v architecture to have “average “ fuel stop at a level 3 charger. I’ve watched Kia and BYD pull in to charge and leave within 10 minutes to my 40 minutes.

 

[Pistol_91]

A few people at work have Tesla's. I find it funny and entertaining when my one co-worker tells his car to come fetch him in the parking lot. LOL. Everyone here loves their Tesla. I've never been in one or anything but they're interesting. My F150 is my daily and likely will be for a very long time. Id probably never buy an electric car even though charging is free at my job.

 

[drought_buster]

There is a lot of up front costs. Don’t forget Tesla has a $100 a month subscription fee for the self driving feature to be active. In my experience it takes a couple years to break even still. It’s like owning a diesel truck. $2,500 to wire your house with a 60A fuse. $600 for a level 2 charger. Yearly state registration fee of $600. Gotta pay that road tax because they are not getting it from you at the gas pump. auto insurance of $300 a month because it’s electric. 24% tax on level 3 charging at gas stations. Your batteries getting weaker like your cellphone does in a couple years. Want to replace the 13 batteries in your Dodge Charger? $17k to get your 210 mile range back.

 

[GTthree50]

EV’s have their use case as does anything. Does not make sense for my use,. My wife on the other hand would be a perfect candidate. Would not be a Tesla or really any EV we could comfortably afford just due to the, from my POV horrible interior design. I need a car interior to look good, feel good and seem like it was designed to integrate nicely with the front passenger/driver space. Personally I only feel a few like Porsche and Audi really have it nailed. Lucid’s and similar are a distant second. Lack of personality or soul may or may not matter to many but for those of us on this forum I’d wager it matters and here no EV can measure up.
For daily use and basic transport I’d say they are superior and arguably cheaper to run.
The political side of things is irrelevant to me. They are cars and with that comes an impact on the environment, no getting around that. Gas cars do it differently than EV’s but both impact, like it or not, just buy what you like. I agree with the OP that an ultimate garage is a a sports car an EV and maybe a truck, all use cases covered.

 

[CANTWN4LSN]

... Just haven't found one worth the $$ yet. Still too pricey for me (pretty much goes for all cars)...

Not a knock, but given the man hours and moolah invested in your build, brought my smile for the day.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

A few people at work have Tesla's. I find it funny and entertaining when my one co-worker tells his car to come fetch him in the parking lot. LOL. Everyone here loves their Tesla. I've never been in one or anything but they're interesting. My F150 is my daily and likely will be for a very long time. Id probably never buy an electric car even though charging is free at my job.

But aren't you glad you didn't make the same decision when your friends told you about girls?

 

[mavisky]

Agree that electric cars make a ton of sense for daily drivers. We daily a plug in hybrid and its awesome. 30 miles electric only does 95% of our daily needs with no fuel needed. Road trips great when needed as well. Would love a fully electric car at some point. Just haven't found one worth the $$ yet. Still too pricey for me (pretty much goes for all cars).

Can't do a Tesla personally. Parents had one for a couple months - drivetrain was amazing. But hated almost everything else. Too much interior noise and bouncy ride for 55k. Hated the ergonomics and cheap interior. And don't even get me started on the vision-only approach to FSD. Works great until it drives off a bridge. Tons of cool tech - but really not a fan of some of their strategic decisions - but I feel that way about 95% of car companies right now.

Such a weird time in the automotive space, IMHO. Cars like the GT500/GTD, Z06/ZR1, GT3RS, etc have really pushed what OEMs can build and deliver. But not sure it's good overall. Costs are absolutely bananas, cars being treated as investments, and the aftermarket is getting wrecked.

Agree on so many points. Wife has a plug in hybrid aviator that's an awesome daily. 3 rows, magneride, air suspension, 30 miles of full ev that recharges in 3 hours, or combine it with the twin turbo 4.0L and you have 500hp and over 625lb/ft of torque. Can also just stop and then put in fuel and road trip it for hundreds and hundreds of miles.

 

[honeybadger]

Not a knock, but given the man hours and moolah invested in your build, brought my smile for the day.

oh, i fully accept the irony. But I just can't stomach the price of these cars for what you get. When you're talking 40k for a M3 equivalent or 65k for MS, I am in. But when they cost 25K+ of that, I get irrationally principled.

Same goes for trucks, etc. tho. A new dually is offensively expensive I just can't.

 

[HoldenSSVandGT350]

My dad came for a visit in his (new to him) 2025 Tesla Model Y, dual motor, long range.
We road-tripped it for about 4 hours. WOW. I'm blown away. The FSD (full-self drive) is ALREADY better than the average driver. I am seriously impressed. A Model Y may be my next vehicle. They make so much sense for the daily driver. It's about as quick as my GT350R, but quiet, efficient, spacious, convenient... etc.
I had to share this picture of my garage (I know, it's dirty). These two cars couldn't be more opposite.
On the left, it's peak modern technology. Electric, FSD, digital everything... etc.
On the right, the last gasp (albeit, epic) of a dying age. Mechanical, analog, visceral... etc.

In my opinion, this is nearly the perfect garage. Maybe an old beater truck for dump runs to round things off... I'm curious what this crowd will think of these cars. TBH, a car is a car. Somehow electric cars have become a political statement, which I think is misguided. You should buy the best car for your purposes. I have had an electric car since 2016 (2013 Nissan Leaf) and it's served us well. Electric cars are the future whether you like it or not. There are still use-cases where ICE cars are superior, but if you've never experienced a modern electric car, do yourself a favor and try one out with an open mind. For where I live in the Pacific Northwest, where we have high fuel prices and really low electricity prices, it's a no-brainer for the vast majority of non-commercial use vehicles.

Too many better options than the Model Y out there now, and I’m not even talking about the Elon issue. GM SuperCruise is demonstrably better than “FSD”, heck even BlueCruise has tested better than FSD and Autopilot. Plus, the Model Y in all trims rides like an oxcart compared to a comparable Mach E, Lyriq, Vistiq, Blazer EV or pretty much whatever competition you choose.. Don’t even get me started on having to do almost everything through the touchscreen and no driver info display directly in your line of sight. The legacy makers are putting Tesla to shame very quickly in the daily ergonomics

Now that many EVs can now charge at Tesla Superchargers with the NACS adaptors When road tripping, that former advantage has now evaporated as well.

You are spot on about EVs, just sample something other than a Tesla as well.

 

[Hack]

I am so happy that there is a 4th big American car company now. I think Tesla is great and I love what they are doing with new technology and continuous improvement to their vehicles. I hope future America has more freedom and we see additional new American car companies come onto the scene. It should become easier for small companies to compete in this arena in the future, I hope.

But, EVs are not for me unless I can nap or read while it's driving. If I have to sit in the driver's seat and watch the road, I want to be driving. From what I've seen with FSD, Tesla is close and it will happen a lot sooner than I would have predicted a couple years ago. I think driving by vision is a good choice based on resource demand. A big part of self driving if people are free to choose what to buy is the cost of the tech, and vision seems like it might end up competitive in that regard.

I also don't want a car with no manual transmission or V8 engine. I would be ok with a V10 or V12. I really want to see a regression to future ICE builds with 1990s technology and modern performance. I hope companies are allowed to produce it, because I think there's a big market for inexpensive ICE performance.

Jason Camissa did a model S video on YouTube that I highly recommend.

 

[geep81]

Now this thread has some great potential for multiple pages. Ev gas here we go.

I was actually coming here to take issue with calling a GT350R peak analog. A car with a hundred computer chips and millions of lines of code needed to make it work is peak analog to someone? It's a modern marvel of technical wizardry both hardware and software.

It has an electronic steering rack, that's one of the main knocks against old analog driving feel there is.

Both cars in the dad's garage are extreme examples of modern tech, to the max.

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