Hold out for PP2 or buy PP1 -> Track Build

[imperialexpress]

How much are you willing to spend…?

How much are you willing to spend? I have a Mach 1 in the classified section for sale. If the buyer doesn’t come through, I’ll get a hold of you.

Just checked it out, beautiful ride, love the green. Beyond my current price range. I'm looking to keep this under $40k. Good luck with the sale, that's a gem. Looking nationwide.

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[mt82#1fan]

If you go PP1 go 2020+ to get all of the S550 tweaks including the better version of the mt82 transmission. I've tracked mine and never had an issue with overheating even in July in Texas @ COTA.

 

[imperialexpress]

All,

Can't thank you enough.Your feedback brought me much needed clarity. Looks like PP1 is the move. As I mentioned, and should've earlier, $40k is really the ceiling but I'm seeing $33-35k PP1's with 25k or fewer miles, clean record, and that feels like the sweet spot.

Sounds like in either case, cooling auxiliary systems isn't addressed unless you go M1, I'm glad you guys chimed in on that because it wasn't on my radar. PP2 wheels and tires are a good starter but consensus seems to support replacing them anyways. Which, if they are the original tires anyways, 6-8 years old is already nearly end of life as dry rot tends to show. MagneRide is cool but upgrading it isn't straightforward and standard suspension is more simple to upgrade and get to a higher performing state. Since this isn't a daily, I don't need the same level of creature comfort.

I can see I'll be revisiting this thread in the coming months, as you've brought up many great pointers for worthwhile track upgrades.

A few other questions,

Do people tend to keep those M1 auxiliary coolers with the M1 or upgrade them? If there's anything I've learned from Jeeps its one man's premium OEM feature is a poor man's future aftermarket accessory.

While I've got you all here, is the active exhaust worth having? I heard a PP2 with a blower and a Corsa Catback and I'm 99% sure that's what's going on this Mustang. Active exhaust sounds like something that will break and cost me.

For all else, I'll be searching away in the forums. Excellent start here. Hope to drop a pic of the new ride in here within the next month or two.

 

[imperialexpress]

If you go PP1 go 2020+ to get all of the S550 tweaks including the better version of the mt82 transmission. I've tracked mine and never had an issue with overheating even in July in Texas @ COTA.

Ah, interesting. So the trans changed in 2020? Or is this the 2021-2023?

What temps did you see while tracking vs regular driving? Just curious.

Does it matter much in either case if I'd like to throw a blower on there at some point? It's been my dream to hear that engine whine, figure at that point if the gears go confetti it is what it is.

 

[luc]

If you go PP1 go 2020+ to get all of the S550 tweaks including the better version of the mt82 transmission. I've tracked mine and never had an issue with overheating even in July in Texas @ COTA.

Didn’t the earlier one had a better ratio ?

 

[Hack]

How much are you willing to spend…?

How much are you willing to spend? I have a Mach 1 in the classified section for sale. If the buyer doesn’t come through, I’ll get a hold of you.

I'm not a Mach 1 buyer. I like my PP1 because I have less than $35K in it including modifications, wheels and tires, everything.

While I've got you all here, is the active exhaust worth having? I heard a PP2 with a blower and a Corsa Catback and I'm 99% sure that's what's going on this Mustang. Active exhaust sounds like something that will break and cost me.

For all else, I'll be searching away in the forums. Excellent start here. Hope to drop a pic of the new ride in here within the next month or two.

Good luck with the search. I loved active exhaust on the GT350 and I don't like the exhaust on my PP1 nearly as much. The PP1 I have is a little too quiet. Aftermarket options are expensive enough I haven't pulled the trigger. I tried cutting off the resonator and it sounded terrible to my ears. I ended up welding it back on.

I think exhaust is a personal preference and you should drive a few different models to make the decision.

Didn’t the earlier one had a better ratio ?

That's part of why I own a 2017. I don't like the later MT82 ratios. Also, I didn't think direct injection and spray bore cylinders were improvements to the Coyote. I like having the earlier Coyote with iron cylinder liners and port only fuel injection.

 

[Johnny Ringo]

That's part of why I own a 2017. I don't like the later MT82 ratios. Also, I didn't think direct injection and spray bore cylinders were improvements to the Coyote. I like having the earlier Coyote with iron cylinder liners and port only fuel injection.

Same here, my 2017 with MT82 is boosted and I definitely wouldn't want the newer ratios either, especially with PP1, although I have to say that a '17 PP1 with its 3.73 gear is a blast on the street with a TVS blower.

 

[Bob Lob Law]

Does it matter much in either case if I'd like to throw a blower on there at some point? It's been my dream to hear that engine whine, figure at that point if the gears go confetti it is what it is.

There is a thread on here about aftermarket blowers and track. It's gonna take a lot of cooling upgrades to keep the temps down or just do time attack lap or two.

 

[NightmareMoon]

Ah, interesting. So the trans changed in 2020? Or is this the 2021-2023?

What temps did you see while tracking vs regular driving? Just curious.

Does it matter much in either case if I'd like to throw a blower on there at some point? It's been my dream to hear that engine whine, figure at that point if the gears go confetti it is what it is.

Aftermarket blowers and track cars dont mix well. Increasing the engine horsepower 50-100% increases heat by 50-100% and the cooling systems arent designed to handle that much extra heat soak. Its a lot of work to DIY solutions for that much extra heat. Your OEM PP1 front grill also isnt engineered for more additional coolers, so you cant easily just slap on mach 1 takeoff coolers (and the mach 1 also isnt built to shed blower heat)

Fine on the street for a few quick pulls and plenty of coasting, but for sustained full throttle and hard braking like on a track its difficult.

So lets get a car and get on track and worry about if a blower is a good idea later.

 

[luc]

Frankly for a track car the 550 need suspension/ handling work, not a supercharger that not only will have cooling issues but also add more weight where you don’t want it
I bet you that for a long time, the limiting factor at the track, is going to be you, not your car
Once you reach the limits of your car, you can always revisit the idea
I see so many high powered cars at the track that pass me in the straights but have pretty bad lines and therefore i am right on their butt in turns and they start to make mistakes, because they are feeling the pressure and drive their mirrors and have to let me go by
Don’t be that guy

 

[kz]

Ah, interesting. So the trans changed in 2020? Or is this the 2021-2023?

What temps did you see while tracking vs regular driving? Just curious.

Does it matter much in either case if I'd like to throw a blower on there at some point? It's been my dream to hear that engine whine, figure at that point if the gears go confetti it is what it is.

Trasmission changed in 2018 - from MT82 to MT82-D4. In 2019 they got auto rev matching.

2018+ have pretty questionable ratios, first and second gear being tall which with a stock sized tire makes them feel slow.

 

[Hack]

Trasmission changed in 2018 - from MT82 to MT82-D4. In 2019 they got auto rev matching.

2018+ have pretty questionable ratios, first and second gear being tall which with a stock sized tire makes them feel slow.

Good post.

The later MT82 ratios are similar to those of the GT350. I didn't like having first gear be so tall. I understand it's set up well for the road course, but on public roads you are speeding if you wind second gear all the way to the redline (about 80 mph) So, from a stop you get one shift.

If you are moving in second gear, you don't even need to shift all the way up to the typical speed limit. I think for the 2018+ GTs, redline in second gear is around 75 mph if you have a 3.73 rear gear.

 

[imperialexpress]

Aftermarket blowers and track cars dont mix well. Increasing the engine horsepower 50-100% increases heat by 50-100% and the cooling systems arent designed to handle that much extra heat soak. Its a lot of work to DIY solutions for that much extra heat. Your OEM PP1 front grill also isnt engineered for more additional coolers, so you cant easily just slap on mach 1 takeoff coolers (and the mach 1 also isnt built to shed blower heat)

Fine on the street for a few quick pulls and plenty of coasting, but for sustained full throttle and hard braking like on a track its difficult.

So lets get a car and get on track and worry about if a blower is a good idea later.

Frankly for a track car the 550 need suspension/ handling work, not a supercharger that not only will have cooling issues but also add more weight where you don’t want it
I bet you that for a long time, the limiting factor at the track, is going to be you, not your car
Once you reach the limits of your car, you can always revisit the idea
I see so many high powered cars at the track that pass me in the straights but have pretty bad lines and therefore i am right on their butt in turns and they start to make mistakes, because they are feeling the pressure and drive their mirrors and have to let me go by
Don’t be that guy

Both good reality checks and sound advice. Good point regarding the cooling limits and challenges in that direction.

Agreed, car first, get to a point where car is limiting factor and not myself. Sounds like I need to be an adult (not easy) and prioritize suspension, wheels, tires, and cooling before thinking about making my engine sound cool. Nonetheless, stoked to get out there and get some lap days in.

 

[imperialexpress]

Good post.

The later MT82 ratios are similar to those of the GT350. I didn't like having first gear be so tall. I understand it's set up well for the road course, but on public roads you are speeding if you wind second gear all the way to the redline (about 80 mph) So, from a stop you get one shift.

If you are moving in second gear, you don't even need to shift all the way up to the typical speed limit. I think for the 2018+ GTs, redline in second gear is around 75 mph if you have a 3.73 rear gear.

Alright now these are interesting points, which is the later MT82? Are we talking 18-20? 21-23? I did a little bit of looking and see 21' has rev matching with the 6spd and so does the 19' equipment sheet. What were the transmission changes during the S550 and which are you guys referring to as better suited for the track?

 

[Jccams]

Alright now these are interesting points, which is the later MT82? Are we talking 18-20? 21-23? I did a little bit of looking and see 21' has rev matching with the 6spd and so does the 19' equipment sheet. What were the transmission changes during the S550 and which are you guys referring to as better suited for the track?

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