Mach 1 vs GT Premium PP1 (401A) + Mods vs GT350 — Cost/Value Question from a Former PP1 Owner

[Mach 307]

The only thing you’re not going to be able to swap from a HP car to the Non-HP car is the EPAS steering rack. HP gets GT350 rack, Non-HP gets PP1 rack.

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[Mach 307]

Lookup Jacky Jones CDJR in Cleveland, Georgia. They have several Mach 1’s at all times. That’s where I found my baby.

 

[GregR]

I confirmed today the tires on the car are firestone firehawk Indy 500s. The fronts are 285 35 R19 and the rears are 325 30 R19. Those are even wider and more aggressive than the stock HP ones I think.

@NHMach1 I now see where you previously said that. How did you know how wide the aftermarket rims are though? And are they wide enough to support those wider tires?

At the end of the day I just want to make sure I'm not undoing something a previous owner did incorrectly, and in this case with tires and rims could cost me 3 to $4,000 if not more.

 

[NHMach1]

Hey GregR,
If you go on LMR.com they are the MHP1 wheels. I recognized the Firestone Indy 500s and Mach 1 HP wheels and I knew that as a kit that LMR sells. I had searched for it before as many others wheel and tire combos. The rear tires are a little wider than stock HP 325 vs 315 wide but fronts are narrower 285 vs 305. If you like the design of the wheels then no reason not to keep them. They are lighter than stock and have a nice offset without fitment issues. I have never had experience with the Indy 500s but from what I’ve read and others have shared they seem to be in the “good” category and nicely priced. They are not more aggressive than the stock HP tires. Those are an ultra high performance Cup 2 that would wear out more quickly. The better of the high performance would be either the Michelin PS4 or my favorite the Continental Sport 02. But if the tires are new or newer on the car and you like them then I’d keep them. Next set you could upgrade the tires if you’d like. The fitment of the wheels and tires on the car are pretty ideal for the wheels. That’s why LMR sells them as a kit. Different manufacturers have different ideal width for wheels/tires. I’ve found that 10” wide is 275 to 295 and 11” is 305 to 325. For my wheel and tire setup I got to custom design and pick width and offset. It was more expensive but I got a one off forged wheel. But again there is nothing wrong at all with what is on the car now. Good luck and the car is the perfect color btw, I’m biased lol!

 

[Charlemagne]

I think it's a perfect combo tyre size-wise. 285/35 is perfect in the front, I have it on HP 10.5" rims and for 10" it's even more ideal. I went 305/35 in the rear on 11" but 325/30 is great size too, lower diameter error to stock 275/40 than 315/30.

 

[GregR]

@NHMach1 thank you for your thoughtful and detailed reply. I did some research and found what you're referring to, it makes sense now

https://lmr.com/products/mustang-ford-performance-mach-1-handling-pack-wheel-15-22

I've been looking for a Mach 1 closer to stock, they just don't seem to be out there, and I get frustrated with dealerships who sell used ones and don't have any history on the cars.

 

[NHMach1]

You’re very welcome and It’s actually this set. The link you sent are the ones from Ford. I couldn’t get the link to copy for some reason so here’s a screenshot

 

[NHMach1]

I did a Nationwide search of Autotrader and came up with 43 of them with under 10k miles. It would be worth it to me to take a look and a trip to find the one!
Also I did a search within 500 miles of Virginia and there were 17 cars currently available. Try Autotrader, Cars.com etc… You won’t regret owning a Mach 1, they are awesome cars! Good luck!

 

[NightmareMoon]

The Indy 500 aren't the worst.. They're ok for the price, but they really aren't the best either.

The stagger may look good, and its a reasonable fit for the fenders and wheel wells for sure, but that large stagger does things to the handling which you may or may not like depending on what you expect from the car.

Basically, its not going to dance well at the limit with that much stagger, its going to understeer. Its a safe balance, but at the limit its going to feel a bit numb, and may tempt you to manhandle it pretty hard and then it does let go it really lets go. if you like a nimble and responsive car it can be annoying to drive a stagger like that, but for most people who are just daily driving its ok.

 

[GregR]

Trying to get information on this one from the dealer, if it checks out, I hope to go see it tomorrow

https://www.purmotive.com/used-vehicle-2021-ford-mustang-mach-1-c-498/

This one looks like another case where it's a non HP Mach 1, and a previous owner tried to make it look like one by adding an aftermarket spoiler, and an aftermarket front splitter from what I can tell. Again I don't like it when owners do that, it's something I'm going to have to undo and spend money on, but I guess that's where these cars are.

 

[Joe Gonsalves]

Trying to get information on this one from the dealer, if it checks out, I hope to go see it tomorrow

https://www.purmotive.com/used-vehicle-2021-ford-mustang-mach-1-c-498/

This one looks like another case where it's a non HP Mach 1, and a previous owner tried to make it look like one by adding an aftermarket spoiler, and an aftermarket front splitter from what I can tell. Again I don't like it when owners do that, it's something I'm going to have to undo and spend money on, but I guess that's where these cars are.

That car is mint. They don't come better than that. If it was close to me I'd be all over it.

 

[luc]

The Indy 500 aren't the worst.. They're ok for the price, but they really aren't the best either.

The stagger may look good, and its a reasonable fit for the fenders and wheel wells for sure, but that large stagger does things to the handling which you may or may not like depending on what you expect from the car.

Basically, its not going to dance well at the limit with that much stagger, its going to understeer. Its a safe balance, but at the limit its going to feel a bit numb, and may tempt you to manhandle it pretty hard and then it does let go it really lets go. if you like a nimble and responsive car it can be annoying to drive a stagger like that, but for most people who are just daily driving its ok.

Obviously if you look at the percentage of staggered cars vs squared, most Mustang drivers favor look over handling Which.
Not surprising because very few drivers have the skills to push the car hard enough to feel and appreciate the difference
Furthermore trying to do this on the street is pretty dumb and therefore mostly the very small minority of drivers that track their car usr a squared set up

 

[NightmareMoon]

Obviously if you look at the percentage of staggered cars vs squared, most Mustang drivers favor look over handling Which.
Not surprising because very few drivers have the skills to push the car hard enough to feel and appreciate the difference
Furthermore trying to do this on the street is pretty dumb and therefore mostly the very small minority of drivers that track their car usr a squared set up

I think I left it open for people to decide where they may fit.

So what? most people have no clue. No need to follow the herd. My opinion is that bad choices in wheels and tires make the car less fun to drive and less capable as a sports car. Everyone needs to choose for themselvesz

 

[luc]

I think I left it open for people to decide where they may fit.

So what? most people have no clue. No need to follow the herd. My opinion is that bad choices in wheels and tires make the car less fun to drive and less capable as a sports car. Everyone needs to choose for themselvesz

I agree with you, was just pointing out why the vast majority of owners choose staggered

 

[GregR]

That car is mint. They don't come better than that. If it was close to me I'd be all over it.

Already sold unfortunately

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