Car and Driver Muscle Car Showdown: 2020 GT500 vs ZL1 1LE vs Challenger Hellcat Redeye

[Arkarius]

So, these guys went out to Willow Springs and didn't get any course times?

Wait for it. They are trickling the info out just like everyone else is doing.

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[Concrete GT]

QUOTE="Classic Lover, post: 2803923, member: 47019"]Maybe so, however the gt500 has been run with track setting adjustments done.[/QUOTE]
Maybe I missed it.....all CD said is they adjusted the wing and installed the SW's….Throttle House did not even have the front aero and they damned sure didn't do any camber adjustment....look at the "the picture" supplied in that thread. The Camaro was cambered massively...the GT500....none.

 

[Laststandard]

Maybe I missed it.....all CD said is they adjusted the wing and installed the SW's….Throttle House did not even have the front aero and they damned sure didn't do any camber adjustment....look at the "the picture" supplied in that thread. The Camaro was cambered massively...the GT500....none.

Throttle House ran the GT500 with Ford's track alignment. Camissa talks about it in the follow up video.

Of course, the Camaro also allows much more camber adjustment from the factory so

 

[millhouse]

Throttle House ran the GT500 with Ford's track alignment. Camissa talks about it in the follow up video.

Of course, the Camaro also allows much more camber adjustment from the factory so

Right, much like Ford provided "cooked" tires and a rear wing in the incorrect position.

Unless they measured or adjusted the suspension themselves (Which I seriously doubt), Jason is likely guessing.

 

[martinjlm]

QUOTE="Classic Lover, post: 2803923, member: 47019"]Maybe so, however the gt500 has been run with track setting adjustments done.

Maybe I missed it.....all CD said is they adjusted the wing and installed the SW's….Throttle House did not even have the front aero and they damned sure didn't do any camber adjustment....look at the "the picture" supplied in that thread. The Camaro was cambered massively...the GT500....none.[/QUOTE]
The cambered Camaro is not the one that ran.

 

[Concrete GT]

Maybe I missed it.....all CD said is they adjusted the wing and installed the SW's….Throttle House did not even have the front aero and they damned sure didn't do any camber adjustment....look at the "the picture" supplied in that thread. The Camaro was cambered massively...the GT500....none.

The cambered Camaro is not the won that ran.[/QUOTE]
Yes it is ….

 

[Concrete GT]

Throttle House ran the GT500 with Ford's track alignment. Camissa talks about it in the follow up video.

he never mentioned any camber adjustment just aero setting.....stop making stuff up.

 

[V00D00]

Vaca or a permanent relocation?

Permanent, but not till late 2020

he never mentioned any camber adjustment just aero setting.....stop making stuff up.

Its all they have. Illogical opinions and blatant lies.

0 with the ability to prove their claims, have stood up to the challenges offered.

Remember, 8/10s dont own, nor ability to purchase, nor ever been on any track with any of the 3 contenders. Its all online experience

 

[Classic Lover]

Permanent, but not till late 2020



Its all they have. Illogical opinions and blatant lies.

0 with the ability to prove their claims, have stood up to the challenges offered.

Remember, 8/10s dont own, nor ability to purchase, nor ever been on any track with any of the 3 contenders. Its all online experience

Who cares if the gt500 has been raced in track alignment or not. I believe the Throttle House test was adjusted, but really who cares, It’s stock either way, point is if it hasn’t been yet it soon will be.

Taking the rain tray out is really the same thing anyway, changing things to get better times in a way you would not on the street or drag strip. Still stock by the way.

 

[Arkarius]

Who cares if the gt500 has been raced in track alignment or not. I believe the Throttle House test was adjusted, but really who cares, It’s stock either way, point is if it hasn’t been yet it soon will be.

Taking the rain tray out is really the same thing anyway, changing things to get better times in a way you would not on the street or drag strip. Still stock by the way.

He won't be happy unless John Ford himself tells him in person what configuration the car is in. These kinds of paranoid delusions and conspiracy theories really aren't healthy. Hopefully he finds some help soon.

 

[FastCarFanBoy]

He won't be happy unless John Ford himself tells him in person what configuration the car is in. These kinds of paranoid delusions and conspiracy theories really aren't healthy. Hopefully he finds some help soon.

So you’re of the belief that Ford took the time to set the car up with a track alignment on a car with “cooked tires” and at the same time not adjust the wing or install the wickers?

Does that scenario seem plausible?

 

[Arkarius]

So you’re of the belief that Ford took the time to set the car up with a track alignment on a car with “cooked tires” and at the same time not adjust the wing or install the wickers?

Does that scenario seem plausible?

Considering that those tires are considered "cooked" after a lap or two I honestly think that's a better comparison than requiring a fresh set of tires for every lap. Most people are going to run them on track until they are corded. Again, Camaro did not have new or even matching tires. The lap times for the day show this.

I would still like to see what each can do when tires and anything else are not in question, but that's not the only comparison that the GT500 lost the track test in.

At this point the excuses are just lame. I call the results like I see them.

 

[shogun32]

Does that scenario seem plausible?

with Ford's marketing ineptitude, anything is possible. They probably shipped the car with 87 octane in it.

 

[V00D00]

Who cares if the gt500 has been raced in track alignment or not. I believe the Throttle House test was adjusted, but really who cares, It’s stock either way, point is if it hasn’t been yet it soon will be.

Taking the rain tray out is really the same thing anyway, changing things to get better times in a way you would not on the street or drag strip. Still stock by the way.

Its like talking to a mudwall with you people. Any car, other than ford can add or adjust as they see fit, so long as gm/fiat sells itat all, and its still " stock ". Ford puts the parts literally in the car to protect from shipping damage and its considered not stock to you.

He won't be happy unless John Ford himself tells him in person what configuration the car is in. These kinds of paranoid delusions and conspiracy theories really aren't healthy. Hopefully he finds some help soon.

Its really easy..run the cars untouched, or run them both at max oem potential., Not one of each..But simplicity escapes you.

Oh, and get a driver that isnt contracted by one of the competitors, who can be seen on video sandbagging..

So you’re of the belief that Ford took the time to set the car up with a track alignment on a car with “cooked tires” and at the same time not adjust the wing or install the wickers?

Does that scenario seem plausible?

They believe what they want. Thats why they are here, delusional.

 

[Minn19]

Its like talking to a mudwall with you people. Any car, other than ford can add or adjust as they see fit, so long as gm/fiat sells itat all, and its still " stock ". Ford puts the parts literally in the car to protect from shipping damage and its considered not stock to you.






Its really easy..run the cars untouched, or run them both at max oem potential., Not one of each..But simplicity escapes you.

Oh, and get a driver that isnt contracted by one of the competitors, who can be seen on video sandbagging..





They believe what they want. Thats why they are here, delusional.

You are as bad as Blaq, wow.

The GT500 was supposed to dominate in all aspects, it may be faster here there and dominate on a prepped 1/4 mile track etc......................but for all the hype it really should be performing better in these test and real world situations people post here, but it doesn't/hasn't. This is against older (sometimes much) platforms as well remember.

Randy is paid by the competitors, got a link? Are you paid by Ford to be a cheerleader?

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