JLT Lund Vs Livernois

[Tommy V]

Tommy,

You'll find lots of testing of our intake's on these boards, from not only us but from other shops/vendors/customers. Wish you could say the same for all the other systems on the market.

Is there a huge HP difference between the systems available? Not at all, but 5hp+ here and there counts. So if you're going to spend money on an aftermarket intake for your car, why not go for the best bang for the buck.

Performs as advertised.
Multiple options on finish of the intake tube, color of filter.
We're on the forums and social media everyday to handle any questions or concerns and are available to talk on the phone Monday-Friday no prompts or automation. Real people with a real good product.

None the less, it's the decision of the consumer, but in a world where most companies are completely disconnected from their customers..we're not.

I agree and as i stated before if i was going a different route i would have ur intake on my car now,i have never said anything bad about ur guys intakes and i think u make a good product.Thats why i stated when guys where talking about high iat,s i said my airaid race intake is disigned simular to urs,being sealed to the hood and my iat,s get high sitting but drop quickly as soon as moving .Its just my opnion that only so much air is going into these motors na form.But u guys do have a great product,i choose mine just for personal prefence.

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[anotherneon]

Just picked up an AirRaid.

Almost went with JLT instead but I was afraid of the potentially high intake temps. in traffic.

Doing alot of racing in traffic:headbonk:

 

[Tele5.0]

Maybe I am wrong here but I would imagine that the "tune" in CAI and tune does have some alterations to fuel and timing maps to take advantage of the added air/cfm getting into the motor.....yes...no? maybe so?

I would think that this is especially true when talking about a Lund tune and JLT combo....

 

[socalsnake]

Doing alot of racing in traffic:headbonk:

If it bothers you so much, you can buy me a JLT and I'll test both and get back to you.

 

[Vinny@JLTPerformance]

Tommy V.

I was more referring to you saying the misleading information. Which isn't anything further from the truth.

MAF re-scaling is part of the tune, fueling adjustments are pretty typical standard for any tune you do whether our intake is on the car or not.

There's no other way to rescale the MAF other then tuning. SCT's pre-programmed canned tune is the closest thing to just a MAF scale adjustment with a close to stock file. Even at that we've seen 12-15whp with just the MAF transfer file to make the car run over the stock intake system. There's an article about it in the latest Muscle Mustangs and fast fords (Aug '15) with this exact test done at an independent shop.

 

[Vile_the_Bastage]

Put an intake that requires a tune on an "uncalibrated" stock Mustang, and I will show you a car that runs like ass. I have tried it just to see. Put a no tune intake on a car that has been "calibrated", and you will run so rich that your car will fall flat on its face. Also, performed by me because I was an idiot that didn't pay attention to detail when working on my S550.

Someone please show me baseline dyno vs. Airaid MXP only dyno numbers that aren't similar (meaning if there is an actual increase of power than it's more than the dyno's margin of error).

Also, someone please show me an S550 or S197 that blew up because its IATs were a little high sitting in stop and go traffic. Hondas, Subarus, Nissans, Chevys, Toyotas, ...all have aftermarket scenes that use a similar intake design to the JLT and I have never seen or heard of one shitting the bed because of slightly higher "stop and go" IATs. Cars shit the bed because of poor tunes, bad drivers, and eBay Motors parts... not marginally higher IATs. I'm sticking to my guns because I have personally owned both and have witnessed the performance of both.

The Airaid MXP is a pretty, well built, stock performing intake that also runs a little higher IATs than OEM when sitting idle. You want low IATs to sleep well at night, then keep it OEM and just get a tune. Same performance.

 

[socalsnake]

Put an intake that requires a tune on an "uncalibrated" stock Mustang, and I will show you a car that runs like ass. I have tried it just to see. Put a no tune intake on a car that has been "calibrated", and you will run so rich that your car will fall flat on its face. Also, performed by me because I was an idiot that didn't pay attention to detail when working on my S550.

Someone please show me baseline dyno vs. Airaid MXP only dyno numbers that aren't similar (meaning if there is an actual increase of power than it's more than the dyno's margin of error).

Also, someone please show me an S550 or S197 that blew up because its IATs were a little high sitting in stop and go traffic. Hondas, Subarus, Nissans, Chevys, Toyotas, ...all have aftermarket scenes that use a similar intake design to the JLT and I have never seen or heard of one shitting the bed because of slightly higher "stop and go" IATs. Cars shit the bed because of poor tunes, bad drivers, and eBay Motors parts... not marginally higher IATs. I'm sticking to my guns because I have personally owned both and have witnessed the performance of both.

The Airaid MXP is a pretty, well built, stock performing intake that also runs a little higher IATs than OEM when sitting idle. You want low IATs to sleep well at night, then keep it OEM and just get a tune. Same performance.

When I dremel/sand out the molded Venturi section, I'm hoping to replicate Livernois's Windstorm version of the AirAid and hopefully their claimed gains.

I think I sleep well either way though.

 

[Vile_the_Bastage]

When I dremel/sand out the molded Venturi section, I'm hoping to replicate Livernois's Windstorm version of the AirAid and hopefully their claimed gains.

This was also my game plan after I discovered that the Airaid MXP had the non-removable insert (by the way great job clarifying that for the early purchasers, Airaid *sarcasm*). Then I just said screw it and sold it; bought what the tuners were using.

 

[Tommy V]

This was also my game plan after I discovered that the Airaid MXP had the non-removable insert (by the way great job clarifying that for the early purchasers, Airaid *sarcasm*). Then I just said screw it and sold it; bought what the tuners were using.

U also quoted that any cai that that does not require a tune does not make any power,ur wrong period,thats not true.also other intake tubes were the same size as stock which is also not true,now if i have u mixed up my apology,s.My tube is quite bigger than stock,yes its made so at the maf their will not have to be changes but it flows more air than stock.You know i like to see jlt with just the maf recalibrated thats it,then run a couple of other pouplar cai without any calibrations and see what happens.I have an airaid send me a jlt or other intake and i will pay for all the dyno,same day,same temps.

 

[socalsnake]

This was also my game plan after I discovered that the Airaid MXP had the non-removable insert (by the way great job clarifying that for the early purchasers, Airaid *sarcasm*). Then I just said screw it and sold it; bought what the tuners were using.

Funny someone finally noticed that...Air-AID! Always sounded like Kool Aid to me.

Well, I may go down the same path as you in the future. Its due to be delivered tomorrow so I'll look over the AirAid and see what its all about.

 

[Tommy V]

Tommy V.

I was more referring to you saying the misleading information. Which isn't anything further from the truth.

MAF re-scaling is part of the tune, fueling adjustments are pretty typical standard for any tune you do whether our intake is on the car or not.

There's no other way to rescale the MAF other then tuning. SCT's pre-programmed canned tune is the closest thing to just a MAF scale adjustment with a close to stock file. Even at that we've seen 12-15whp with just the MAF transfer file to make the car run over the stock intake system. There's an article about it in the latest Muscle Mustangs and fast fords (Aug '15) with this exact test done at an independent shop.

My apology,i was refering to jlt when saying using cai/tune being misleading and i think u took it different then i ment to text it.

 

[anotherneon]

If it bothers you so much, you can buy me a JLT and I'll test both and get back to you.

Considering that Airaid has an open filter much like JLT it must mean something....and so does Steeda. If your tuner is telling you to get a new intake due to high IAT and timing issues I'd be questioning my tuner rather than a proven intake.

 

[socalsnake]

Considering that Airaid has an open filter much like JLT it must mean something....and so does Steeda. If your tuner is telling you to get a new intake due to high IAT and timing issues I'd be questioning my tuner rather than a proven intake.

Who said my tuner said anything about my intake?

 

[Chameleon]

OP, I am VERY happy with my JLT and LIVERNOIS tune. Highly recommended!

 

[RomanB]

Well after thinking about it a lot, I decided that I am going to be going with the PMAS intake/MAF system and a Livernois tune. The tune will have to wait till after my wedding, but the PMAS intake can be ran without a tune in the meantime. A user on the board has already seen some pretty incredible results with the PMAS and a tune. He is going back to the dyno to confirm the results back to back with the stock intake and the PMAS. Thanks for all the posts guys.

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