GT350 GAS GUZZLER TAX

[TRACK CRAZY GT350]

Right now this motor is comparable to the 2013/14 Ferrari California, which is a 4.9 liter FPC that is normally aspirated and has a redline of 9000RPM. That car is subjected to the GG tax.

However, the 2015 model is now a 3.9 Liter twin turbo...with a better EPA and is producing more HP and more torque and is not subjected to the GG tax.

If this is any indication of where Ford can go with this....they can slap a twin turbo on the next release and net higher HP gains and EPA gains to boot. Netting us a more powerful GT350 or GT500 that also is exempt from the GG tax.

Just saying.

The wave of the future for Ford will be it's twin turbo V6. Scot Dixon just won the Tudor 24 Hours of Daytona in a Ford V6 twin turbo Ecoboost/Riley. Ford is using this engine in the new Ford GT [600hp]. I know we will see this engine in the Mustang and it will definitely have no gas guzzler tax. For Ford Racing the idea for using this engine was based on getting better gas mileage than the competition. :clap2:

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[supersnake94]

I have high hopes that the GT350 will not have a gas guzzler tax. With the technology FMC has developed, I see that Voodoo will be just like the GT500. Remember in the teaser videos that Ford was talking about Ecoboost technology and something that they will continue to expand upon. Yes it is not the same motor as the Coyote, but takes a couple of things from it, including TIVCT. The Coyote currently gets 25MPG. Assuming due to Voodoo being a racing engine, I can see it getting the same if not slightly less than the 5.0 and being in the same ballpark as the 2011-2014 GT500s especially if the gearing is right.

If any car I would have to give criticism on that, it is the Dodge Viper. The 2010 SRT-10 had an EPA rating of 22 Highway and it could have missed it for the 2013 model. But because Dodge wanted 200MPH in 6th gear, MPGs went down to 18. It would have been an amazing achievement for Dodge if they could show they world that they made an efficient V-10 motor. But this is coming from a Shelby and Viper fanatic.

 

[RocketGuy3]

Normally aspirated high rpm engines are very thirsty. Wouldn't surprise me if it had a gas guzzler tax.

dave

My thoughts, too. I really hope it avoids the GGT, and I think it might, but I'm still not gonna hold my breath.

If it doesn't avoid it, though, that would be a huge deterrent for me. Not just because it would make the car more expensive, but I'll be driving it often enough that I'd really like at least *halfway* decent mileage.

 

[TRACK CRAZY GT350]

Who was right or wrong?

So now we know the answer. Who was right or wrong. Interesting to see the thoughts back when.

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[nametoshowothers]

So little is known about the flat crank 5.2 VOODOO engine. Is it possible that it will be a fuel hog and be subject to the gas guzzler tax? What do you think?:shrug:

who cares! it will be a thing of joy every time the right foot is pressed down until a brief pause at 8224 rpm and then repeat

 

[nametoshowothers]

For high revving engines you normally have very short gearing, ala the E92 M3. My M3 gets worse mileage than most SUVs, its the reason why I bought my FiST. The amount of money I save on fuel alone reimburses me for the lease payment on the Fist. Not to mention going through a set of rear tires every year.

As far as the GT500 not having a gas guzzler tax, that was in the later years. Up until 2012 the car had a GG tax.


Dave

my 2011 did not have GG tax - note it is identical to 2012

 

[supersnake94]

I thought that the Jalopnik article stated from Ford that the order guide was MOSTLY true. I really do hope that there really is no GGT, but I am not holding my breath either.

We should go back to a 4.6 Modular. Just equip it with TI-VCT, direct injection and we would be good to go!

Imagine a 4.6 TIVCT with a FPC. It would sound a lot like this puppy! Ecoboost 4.6 FPC = lots of power, great fuel economy AND sound like a NASCAR you could drive everyday! Just wish it would come with as much power...

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[Dave2013M3]

I was right about thr GG tax.

 

[thePill]

I'm betting the cams were too aggressive and the TiVCT had to use phasers to limit the range of motion.

Without TiVCT, the Coyote and Voodoo are still large V8's.

 

[SynisterGT]

All these people driving Civics, Fiestas and hybrids and our GT350 gets a GG tax. All that fuel they save should help us out. Oh well lol.

 

[ohtobbad]

I thank those who humilate themselves to drive a Prius and save us gas.
I need it for the new 5.2FPC beast

 

[Hack]

I thought that the Jalopnik article stated from Ford that the order guide was MOSTLY true. I really do hope that there really is no GGT, but I am not holding my breath either.

We should go back to a 4.6 Modular. Just equip it with TI-VCT, direct injection and we would be good to go!

Imagine a 4.6 TIVCT with a FPC. It would sound a lot like this puppy! Ecoboost 4.6 FPC = lots of power, great fuel economy AND sound like a NASCAR you could drive everyday! Just wish it would come with as much power...

No thanks on the 4.6. I've owned quite a few Mustangs, but I didn't buy any Mustangs equipped with that boat anchor.

The simple fact is it takes fuel to make power. If you want great fuel economy, buy something else.

 

[supersnake94]

No thanks on the 4.6. I've owned quite a few Mustangs, but I didn't buy any Mustangs equipped with that boat anchor.

The simple fact is it takes fuel to make power. If you want great fuel economy, buy something else.

Well, it would be reworked. Would be nothing like the last 4.6 modular. I am only saying that because cars now are going for smaller displacement engines coupled with a turbocharger system. It would not be like a boat anchor.

 

[Grimace427]

Not to thread jack again but Koenigsegg is using the 4.6 boosted up to over 1,100hp in their hypercars.

 

[supersnake94]

Not to thread jack again but Koenigsegg is using the 4.6 boosted up to over 1,100hp in their hypercars.

Which is why we should use boosed 4.6s as the next engine.

That would actually be cool. The next GT500 with an Ecoboost DOHC 4.6 with TI-VCT and it sounds like a Koenigsegg!

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