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I think Ford really dropped the ball with not offering the V6 up as the mid trim and doing more with it. I know they love their EB engines but they should have done more with the V6 and not send it to the junk heap.

Chevy is going to take the mid range sales for sure from Mustang. With that good of a sounding V6 (and it sounds GOOD), along with the cylinder deactivation and premium trim/options...Ford is going to lose a bunch of sales.
Disagree. There might be some sales loss, but not to any degree that Ford will sweat it. At that trim level, it will come down to price.

Say what you want, but I have never heard any V6 that sounds good. One V6 could sound good compared to another V6, but none of them evoke that V8 pleasure.
 

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Disagree. There might be some sales loss, but not to any degree that Ford will sweat it. At that trim level, it will come down to price.

Say what you want, but I have never heard any V6 that sounds good. One V6 could sound good compared to another V6, but none of them evoke that V8 pleasure.
Obviously a 6 is never going to sound like an 8, but the buyer who is looking for that mid-range car that delivers good mpg and some fun, a 6 is the natural selection. And reading the reviews the majority like the sound of their V6 after those test runs around the track and the feel of the car...lighter/quicker.
 

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You really think their are that many people out there looking for a nice performing V6 when they purchase a mustang or camaro? There might be a few, but not enough to warrant what the camaro is doing. For the average buyer who is not on a forum, they're buying a non SS or GT car simply because they want the look. Thats it.

I think GM will sell less and less V6 camaro's and eventually axe them as well.
 

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How do Dodge's retro designs look so good? GM needs to shit can it w the Camaro. The back end is even more confusing now. It's more Asian import than anything else. And the Toyota Avalon front air dam got even bigger.


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You really think their are that many people out there looking for a nice performing V6 when they purchase a mustang or camaro? There might be a few, but not enough to warrant what the camaro is doing. For the average buyer who is not on a forum, they're buying a non SS or GT car simply because they want the look. Thats it.

I think GM will sell less and less V6 camaro's and eventually axe them as well.
And because it is what they can realistically afford. It's like someone declaring they'd rather have a Mustang GT than a GT350.
 

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You really think their are that many people out there looking for a nice performing V6 when they purchase a mustang or camaro? There might be a few, but not enough to warrant what the camaro is doing. For the average buyer who is not on a forum, they're buying a non SS or GT car simply because they want the look. Thats it.

I think GM will sell less and less V6 camaro's and eventually axe them as well.
Yah I do because I know about 3 owners of V6 Camaros that didn't want a SS Camaro or Mustang GT. They werent uninformed buyers either but informed enough to know they didnt want/need the power of a V8. Talking to them about the '16 they'd still go V6 and not touch the 4 cylinder.

Why would Camaro invest in another upgrade of the V6 if they didn't think/know there is still a market for it. Also they probably read over and over the EB reviews from all the auto magazines and came away with the general view that people still want a nice V6 over a 4 cylinder if they arent going for the V8.

Hence their 4-6-8 lineup which goes from gas conscience/looks to mid-range wanting some performance/mpg savings up to the performance model.

Watching these Camaro runs, these guys at the event absolutely loved the V6 and how it felt, especially over the last gen V6/G5 Camaro.

Ill make you a wager that their V6 outsells their 4 and Mustangs mid/low range once they are on the market for about 6 months.

I mean Ford's whole "Oh our V6 is now the fleet engine/no one wants that" is just a bad idea. They didn't give us an option to do a PP on it or Premium because THEY KNOW someone is going to take that over the 4 cylinder. It's their worst decision on this model. Flame me all you want.
 

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You really think their are that many people out there looking for a nice performing V6 when they purchase a mustang or camaro? There might be a few, but not enough to warrant what the camaro is doing. For the average buyer who is not on a forum, they're buying a non SS or GT car simply because they want the look. Thats it.

I think GM will sell less and less V6 camaro's and eventually axe them as well.
Well, you drive a 2012 Focus. I'd bet if you like performance cars, you will really like the V6 Mustang by comparison. I owned a 2011 V6 Mustang for a year. I thought it was a lot of fun. The V6 Camaro was actually a better motor in my opinion. It's all the other things about the Camaro that I didn't like that made me buy a Mustang instead.

The Ford V6 at 300 hp is not bad at all, and it has a similar high RPM rush to the Coyote motor. If you wind out 2nd gear and shift hard into 3rd you will spin the tires (more than just a chirp). And you are going 50-60 mph at that point. In the V6 Camaro on my test drive I actually spun the tires by accident - hard. It's pretty good.

I would have a V6 Mustang and enjoy it if I didn't have the extra money for a GT. Cars are important enough to me that I will spend that extra. It's not that the V6 isn't fun, just that I have the cash and I enjoy the 8 more. I see this as being true of both the Camaro and the Mustang. It could be the 6 will go away, but it's probably going to be more due to emissions and economy regulations than performance, in my opinion.
 

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Yah I do because I know about 3 owners of V6 Camaros that didn't want a SS Camaro or Mustang GT. They werent uninformed buyers either but informed enough to know they didnt want/need the power of a V8.
We all know that is pure BS. No performance-minded buyer is going to take less power if more is available and within their budget. Anything different is a huge exception, not the rule. You don't market to the exceptions.

Why would Camaro invest in another upgrade of the V6 if they didn't think/know there is still a market for it.
Who ever said there is not a market for the V6? By the way, "Camaro" is a model, not a brand/manufacturer. "Camaro" didn't invest in anything, GM did.

Ill make you a wager that their V6 outsells their 4 and Mustangs mid/low range once they are on the market for about 6 months.
How will you know? It's not like there is going to be a 6-month breakdown for each car based on the drivetrain purchased.

I mean Ford's whole "Oh our V6 is now the fleet engine/no one wants that" is just a bad idea. They didn't give us an option to do a PP on it or Premium because THEY KNOW someone is going to take that over the 4 cylinder. It's their worst decision on this model. Flame me all you want.
When did Ford ever say nobody wants a V6? If that was what they felt, why even offer a V6 at all? What Ford is doing is smart, IMO, they are incentivizing people to purchase the EcoBoost versus the V6 because it fits with their long-term strategy regarding the ridiculous CAFE standards coming into play for the 2017 model year and beyond.
 

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LOL, Joe Bella (DragonEye, Mr.Wyndham) posted up his review of a V6 pre-production car and, surprise, he can't help but gush about it like a schoolgirl over Justin Bieber. Of course, if you've read anything he's posted over on that other site, you know that each new Camaro that comes along is his new favorite, so his opinion of the 6thGen really does not carry much weight, IMO. He's so far up GM's butt all you can see is his shoestrings!
 

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We all know that is pure BS. No performance-minded buyer is going to take less power if more is available and within their budget. Anything different is a huge exception, not the rule. You don't market to the exceptions.
Obviously you have a reading comprehension problem. I said 3 owners of a V6 Camaro all went with the V6 because even though they had the money, they took the mid range because they didn't need the V8 power. Where does that translate into 'a performance buyer'? There are LOTS of potential buyers who want a nice sports car but don't need a top of the line performance sports car. That is where the V6 slots itself in nicely. 300+HP is damn enough for most people. Even reviews coming in are saying the new Camaro V6 on those laps felt more like a V8 with the power/weight loss.

Who ever said there is not a market for the V6? By the way, "Camaro" is a model, not a brand/manufacturer. "Camaro" didn't invest in anything, GM did.
Ford did. Ford wasn't even going to put the V6 in the S550 and as the last minute added it for rental fleets and as a price entry point.

Just like Ford has their "Mustang" division which actually is considered a brand, Chevy has the same thing with "Camaro."


When did Ford ever say nobody wants a V6? If that was what they felt, why even offer a V6 at all? What Ford is doing is smart, IMO, they are incentivizing people to purchase the EcoBoost versus the V6 because it fits with their long-term strategy regarding the ridiculous CAFE standards coming into play for the 2017 model year and beyond.
When they removed it from the line-up and again added it at the last second. Have you not seen any videos of them talking about the 2015 S550 and the engineers saying the V6 was scrapped and then added back in at the last second? And I don't agree it's smart at all. When the competition is going to be offering all 3 engine trims with all premium options available then you've just alienated a big set of buyers. If someone is not 100% sold on the looks of the S550 and is deciding between the 2, they very well might go Camaro because of the V6 and options.

What Ford is doing is not smart
 

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LOL, Joe Bella (DragonEye, Mr.Wyndham) posted up his review of a V6 pre-production car and, surprise, he can't help but gush about it like a schoolgirl over Justin Bieber. Of course, if you've read anything he's posted over on that other site, you know that each new Camaro that comes along is his new favorite, so his opinion of the 6thGen really does not carry much weight, IMO. He's so far up GM's butt all you can see is his shoestrings!
Any opinion carries weight.

Maybe you should go out and start reading the auto sites reviews of the 6G...they are all favorable...and Chevy allowed test drives of their car at launch where Ford made people wait 6+ months...so Chevy obviously thinks their 6G blows away the Mustang by offering that already. And reading the reviews, Ford really has something to start worrying about...which I think is great because Ford needs to up their game now and hopefully blow us away with the '17 MY.

As an informed buyer, I'll take all the information from anywhere and make an informed decision.
 

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How do Dodge's retro designs look so good? GM needs to shit can it w the Camaro. The back end is even more confusing now. It's more Asian import than anything else. And the Toyota Avalon front air dam got even bigger.


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I wish Dodge would hire some Euro designer to take their Challenger and upgrade it. I think that model would look pretty sick if they brought it into a more modern design.
 

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You know what people who wanted an affordable premium Mustang did? They bought the EB. Would they have bought the V6 premium, probably, but they still walked away with a Mustang.
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