How long until 3.7 v6 and coyote replaced with ecoboosts?

[JimmyTwoTimes]

One other point about the V6, it may be the most affordable option (acquisition and maintenance wise) for rental fleet sales. Idk how big a pie that market takes, but it's cars sold and there are rental mustangs at almost every airport you go to. Plus with Chrysler discontinuing the 200, I don't think there is another convertible that'd be right for that market.

This was originally my thought about why the V6 would remain in production -- although that repair costs are a big concern of theirs, and a naturally aspirated V6 will have lower repair cost than a boosted inline 4 -- but rental fleets have been buying more Ecoboost coupes than V6's from what I've been able to see. I think that if Ford offered the Ecoboost convertible in non-premium trim for fleet sales, they could do away with the V6 without too much fuss.

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[113]

They need to keep an NA option (V8) for good. If they want to strap two turbos to a V8 for the next GT500 or something I fully support that too. Hell, twin-turbo & supercharge the next V8 in the GT500 and I'm all for it. That would blow the doors off of anything short of a P1.

 

[Blk2015GT]

They need to keep an NA option (V8) for good. If they want to strap two turbos to a V8 for the next GT500 or something I fully support that too. Hell, twin-turbo & supercharge the next V8 in the GT500 and I'm all for it. That would blow the doors off of anything short of a P1.

I'm sure they will keep some type of V8 option as long as they can. But mpg requirements are going up a LOT in the next 10 years. By 2025 the fleet average must be a whopping 52.5mpg. And the regs start kicking in during 2017 to increase mpg a lot.

What really drags down the fleet average for those standards is cars like a GT500 with a big supercharged V8 getting 10mpg

I dont see the need for a V8 with a 3.5L V6 twin turbo which we know can make 500-600hp easily and a lot more torque than the Coyote and gets much better gas mileage than a V8 making that power

 

[Barrel]

I dont see the need for a V8 with a 3.5L V6 twin turbo which we know can make 500-600hp easily and a lot more torque than the Coyote and gets much better gas mileage than a V8 making that power

Sure it's not as sexy as the V8, but I'd take the EB V6 today if I could. I freaking love my EB in my F150.

 

[zackmd1]

I think that it is very possible by 2018 that the 5.0 in the GT will be replaced with a EB V6 based on the 2.7l (I am thinking in the 3.0-3.2 range) making around 475hp. The 5.0 I think will be moved up to a model like the mach 1 or even as an option engine in the GT. That way they can keep the V8 in low production and still "please" the enthusiasts while pushing their more efficient EB 4 and 6 to the masses.

 

[113]

I'm sure they will keep some type of V8 option as long as they can. But mpg requirements are going up a LOT in the next 10 years. By 2025 the fleet average must be a whopping 52.5mpg. And the regs start kicking in during 2017 to increase mpg a lot.

What really drags down the fleet average for those standards is cars like a GT500 with a big supercharged V8 getting 10mpg

I dont see the need for a V8 with a 3.5L V6 twin turbo which we know can make 500-600hp easily and a lot more torque than the Coyote and gets much better gas mileage than a V8 making that power

All the companies need to do is just keep improving the fuel economy for normal cars. Fusions, Fiestas, Escapes, Edges, F-150s, etch...can all do just fine without a V8. I think they should leave the performance cars alone, or at least have the V8 as an option for enthusiasts.

No reason a standard Fusion can't be making near 100mpg by 2025; they already have the Fusion plug-in hybrid, so that just needs to be the standard for that car and for most cars in the lineup. Plus, by then battery tech will be much better and more economical anyway so most consumers could afford that option. He'll I'd love to have a commuter econobox that's as efficient as possible. When most cars in the lineup make 100MPGe then having a Mustang and Ford GT (hopefully a V8 will migrant back to that car by then) making 25-30mpg is no issue.

 

[mustangfamily03]

Corrected. I had written something else and forgot to delete "bigger displacement." I was going to say they would go to 2 displacement Ecoboosts, 2.3 and 2.7, but then read the 2.7 doesn't make a ton more HP so that is unlikely to keep both in the same car.

Lol. Got it!

 

[mustangfamily03]

I think that it is very possible by 2018 that the 5.0 in the GT will be replaced with a EB V6 based on the 2.7l (I am thinking in the 3.0-3.2 range) making around 475hp. The 5.0 I think will be moved up to a model like the mach 1 or even as an option engine in the GT. That way they can keep the V8 in low production and still "please" the enthusiasts while pushing their more efficient EB 4 and 6 to the masses.

I agree. This is what I have been thinking. I think the GT will adopt a Ecoboost 6 and the option will be a mach1 with a v8. That would be to please everyone.

I just hope it's not to make a limited run of the mach1 to ween everyone from the 8 cyl. Once the GT gets the boosted 6 there's no going back!

 

[ilkhan]

I foresee a 2017/2018 lineup of:
2.3EB Base 335HP
2.7EB Mid model 400HP
3.5EB GT 460HP
5.0 Coyote Mach 1 460HP
5.2FPC GT350 550HP
3.5EB GT500 666HP+

And then a refresh in 2020 that drops the standard coyote V8 completely. CAFE is creeping up and isn't going anywhere good. The Coyote will drop from the F150 and the mustang at the same time. :(

They might just do one V6 EB for the standard production model, but 400HP+ is the number for a GT model, its not going backwards, and the 2.7EB already uses a shitload of boost to hit the low 300s in the F150.

 

[Double]

Would make sense to have the EB V6 come along with the 10 speed ? because of size and weight ? So prolly wont be that long.

 

[Rough Hollow Man]

As Mark Twain used to be fond of saying, "History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme". I've been owning Mustang's for all of it's 50 year history...10 of them to be exact. And in all that time, what has been the one constant engine that has been offered in every year model since 1964 to now...yes, boys and girls the lowly, gets no respect, V-6!
So, do I chuckle when I see an OP talking about how the V-6 is going to be dropped? Yes I do. Three years ago all the car magazines and motor-heads could talk about was how the V-6 was to be dropped for the 6G Mustang. No way would Ford keep the v-6. Well I'm proud to say that I have a 6G 2015 V-6 vert in my garage presently. And I traded in a 2013 GT vert to get the new body style. I could do this because the V-6 is being sold at such a low price point. And that's why the V-6 is in the Mustang engine lineup. Ford might just keep the V-6 around so they have a great Mustang at a low price point. And by the way, it's a proven workhorse that produces 300HP the "old fashioned way"...yea, naturally aspirated! All 9 of my previous Mustangs have been V-8s, but this little V-6 is faster than all except my last two Coyotes. Remember that Ford has to sell cars and the V-6 Mustangs have sold well for 50 years. Yes siree, that Mark Twain knew what he was saying, "History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme".

 

[Lord Thunder]

I would love to see a twin-turbo v6 Ecoboost (I would like to try an engine swap on an S550, if Ford won't provide) .. And come to think of it, I would even welcome the 'hybrid' Mustang, in a way how Porsche, McLaren and Ferrari are doing it: Make a car 'more extreme' by adding electric motors.

 

[Rough Hollow Man]

Yes, I agree Lord Thunder. My son has that EB V-6 engine in his Ford 150... It's a jewel.

 

[thxultra]

I honestly don't see the base V6 being around much longer. I only think ford kept it to see if people would buy the ecoboost. I don't see the 5.0 going away any time soon unless they can't keep it with int he cafe standards. If they can keep making the ecoboost ones more efficient then they will have more wiggle room for the V8.

 

[15wile]

I foresee a 2017/2018 lineup of:
2.3EB Base 335HP
2.7EB Mid model 400HP
3.5EB GT 460HP
5.0 Coyote Mach 1 460HP
5.2FPC GT350 550HP
3.5EB GT500 666HP+

And then a refresh in 2020 that drops the standard coyote V8 completely. CAFE is creeping up and isn't going anywhere good. The Coyote will drop from the F150 and the mustang at the same time. :(

They might just do one V6 EB for the standard production model, but 400HP+ is the number for a GT model, its not going backwards, and the 2.7EB already uses a shitload of boost to hit the low 300s in the F150.

The 2.3 uses a shitload of boost to hit 310. It runs aboout 18-20PSI from the factory. Yet the tuners found plenty of extra horsepower on the table anyway. MAP is running about 70-80HP over stock (350 to the rear wheels). I bet that 2.7 motor has similar gains available.

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