How long until 3.7 v6 and coyote replaced with ecoboosts?

[SVTFreak]

In 2010, ford stated that by 2020, they wanted 90% of their vehicles to be small displacement boosted applications with the main holdout being the mustang gt. If they stick to that plan, well, that's the plan.

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[JimmyTwoTimes]

The V8 naturally aspirated will stay and option since it's a muscle car, and the halo car or option in a GT will be the 3.5L twin turbo Ecoboost V6 making 500-600hp; as seen replacing the big V8s in the Raptor (450-500hp) and 2017 Ford GT (600+hp)

I don't really think that the Naturally Aspirated V8 will survive past this generation. Should make it to 2020; possibly 2025 when they presumably do a fully new platform, but not beyond that. I don't think there will be any naturally aspirated engines for sale at any price anywhere in 2025, except possibly as range-extenders in electric vehicles.

 

[JimmyTwoTimes]

CAFE starts to kick in in 2017. I'd expect major engine and transmission revisions industry wide

CAFE isn't the issue. It's CO2 emissions in global markets. It doesn't make sense to make solely domestic market cars, economically, and every market but the US and China restricts CO2 emissions. It's why a Mustang GT costs like $130,000 in the Netherlands. That's just unsustainable by Ford.

 

[JimmyTwoTimes]

Like others have said, MY18 I think the 3.7 will be gone and replaced with the 2.7l. I don't think we will ever see a small displacement EB V8. It just would not offer enough over the current EB V6's to merit the R&D cost.

It would in markets that put such a punitive tax on engine displacements over 4 litres that they make Mustangs virtually unsalable. In China, cars with engines over 4 litres are taxed an additional 40% -- that alone would make it worth Ford's while to develop a turbocharged 3950 cc engine.

 

[15wile]

Sounds logical that the 3.7 would disappear. But I don't see it being replaced with a 2.7 boosted six, either.

More than likely, for non-halo cars we'll just have two motors for awhile. The volume seller (and internationally-minded) 2.3 EB and the V8. There's not a lot of room between the EB and the V8 for a third option and no real reason why Ford would want to do that. Anybody who is looking to save money will be happy with the EB (which is still tuner-friendly), anyone else will want the V8.

That being said, I do wonder if they'll ever drop the new 3.5EB in one of the halo Mustangs. That would be interesting.

 

[Chadillac]

The clock is ticking on the 3.7, but I think it's possible a boosted v6 engine will slot in as the "mid range" choice or as a special model. The V8 will always be an option. All hell would erupt if you couldn't buy a Mustang without 8 cylinders. With plenty of efficient engines offered, there will still be a little wiggle room for the bad boys

 

[JimmyTwoTimes]

All hell would erupt if you couldn't by a Mustang without 8 cylinders.

Already happened before; check the 1974 model.

 

[Chadillac]

Already happened before; check the 1974 model.

:tsk: the "unspeakable" era. They did rename it tho.

plus they started aiming at the Chevy Monza

 

[15wile]

Already happened before; check the 1974 model.

Here's to hoping 2017 won't be like 1974.

 

[Chadillac]

Here's to hoping 2017 won't be like 1974.

I don't think Ford will make that mistake again... long live the red blooded 8 cylinder Mustang!

 

[JimmyTwoTimes]

:tsk: the "unspeakable" era. They did rename it tho.

302 was still offered in '74, plus they started aiming at the Chevy Monza

The engines available in '74 were the 2.3 litre inline-4 at 88 hp and the 2.8 litre V6 at 115 hp. For '75 they brought back the Windsor 302, but it was only rated at 122 hp. They were not good at dealing with emissions restrictions in the mid '70's.

I just don't see Ford ignoring CO2 requirements everywhere but the U.S. and China to continue with a naturally aspirated V8 (especially when they can't sell the V8 for a reasonable price in China because of the displacement tax) that nobody else can afford to buy. Ten years from now, the taxes on a 5.0 N/A engine will make it a $100,000 proposition to buy anywhere in the world -- I don't see Ford making that decision when they can get better hp and torque numbers from a turbocharged 6.

 

[Chadillac]

The engines available in '74 were the 2.3 litre inline-4 at 88 hp and the 2.8 litre V6 at 115 hp. For '75 they brought back the Windsor 302, but it was only rated at 122 hp. They were not good at dealing with emissions restrictions in the mid '70's.

I just don't see Ford ignoring CO2 requirements everywhere but the U.S. and China to continue with a naturally aspirated V8 (especially when they can't sell the V8 for a reasonable price in China because of the displacement tax) that nobody else can afford to buy. Ten years from now, the taxes on a 5.0 N/A engine will make it a $100,000 proposition to buy anywhere in the world -- I don't see Ford making that decision when they can get better hp and torque numbers from a turbocharged 6.

you're right, I had those years bass ackwards. American V8 sports cars aren't really popular all over the world, much like pick up trucks. I would just imagine those models not available outside the US. I do agree a change is coming, but i can't imagine a world without V8's... one way or another i have to believe they'll stay rooted in the US

 

[zackmd1]

It would in markets that put such a punitive tax on engine displacements over 4 litres that they make Mustangs virtually unsalable. In China, cars with engines over 4 litres are taxed an additional 40% -- that alone would make it worth Ford's while to develop a turbocharged 3950 cc engine.

But why build an all new 3.8L or smaller EB V8 when they have a very capable and already developed 3.5L V6 that is pushing over 600hp now? For reference McLaren's 3.8L TT V8 makes 727hp at its highest production tune level in the P1. I just don't see enough of a benefit for Ford to take on the cost of such a project.

 

[Br725]

One other point about the V6, it may be the most affordable option (acquisition and maintenance wise) for rental fleet sales. Idk how big a pie that market takes, but it's cars sold and there are rental mustangs at almost every airport you go to. Plus with Chrysler discontinuing the 200, I don't think there is another convertible that'd be right for that market.

 

[Blk2015GT]

But why build an all new 3.8L or smaller EB V8 when they have a very capable and already developed 3.5L V6 that is pushing over 600hp now? For reference McLaren's 3.8L TT V8 makes 727hp at its highest production tune level in the P1. I just don't see enough of a benefit for Ford to take on the cost of such a project.

They wouldn't. 2 of the traditional big hp V8 vehicles, the Raptor and Ford GT, are both going to the 3.5 Eco V6 TT.

The 3.5 TT Eco done right would kill the Coyote, in hp and it's a torque monster making like 450+ ft lbs. And the engine itself weighs 30-40 pounds less too.

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