2016 Camaro coming May 16th

[flaps]

Why is the LT1's transmission 60-80 pounds heavier? Wouldn't they be basically the same transmission? Unless the Camaro uses the 7 speed... although I doubt it is that much heavier.

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[thePill]

Why is the LT1's transmission 60-80 pounds heavier? Wouldn't they be basically the same transmission? Unless the Camaro uses the 7 speed... although I doubt it is that much heavier.

The base TR6060 was 150lbs in 2009 (In 5656 trim, same as the 6060), it has gotten heavier. The SS's TR6060 M10 was close to 160lbs, the Caddy's LSA's TR6060 was about 180lbs while the ZL1's was slightly heavier due to the tail shaft. The ZR1's 6060 is still a mystery...

The addition of the 7th Gear added almost 12lbs to the previous 6060's weight.

Where the confusion lays is with the ATS-V's Tremec (3165). There are two listed weights for the mass produced 3165. 112lbs (made to compete with the M3/M4 Getrag and the 125lbs version for Hi-Po variants. If the new 7 speed weighs around 190-200lbs (still about 30-40 lighter than an Auto), it would be from 65-88lbs heavier. The ATS-V's engine is suppose to be 20lbs heavier.

Another thing to consider, all weight comparisons between the 5th and 6th Gens will yield very little useful info. The ATS-V is about as close as similar as you can get.

Right now, the Camaro is longer, wider, wider track, has larger panels, more glass and has heavier standard equipment vw. the ATS-V (assuming it won't come with the ATS-V's smaller equipment.

The extra airbags are going to kill them in the interior.

 

[thePill]

Look at this...

The ATS Alpha front rail section

The Mustang's front rail section.

Now, the Camaro's from the front.... This thing is a monster... Look at those battering rams!!! Unless that is an extreme rear kick up and this is the rear, which would still be chunky.

I need someone to correct me if I am wrong but, DO I SEE BOLTS holding two frame sections together? Please tell me they didn't just repeat the '67-'69 Stub again. Why is there a need to do that? That greatly reduces the frames rigidity. Look at the dual frame rails on the 6th Gen. The Alpha needed so much reinforcement that this monstrosity was welded in place...

They need a Camaro ONLY platform. I can't wait to see the sled runners, torque boxes, firewall and rocker work. The Mustang looks tiny compare to the massive Camaro frame.

Edit: Holy sh!t!! The ATS above also has a "Stub" section on the front rails. This is bad........ bad, bad, bad, bad, bad..... It has to be a built in scaling feature the Mustang doesn't have. The Mustang's platform is far less flexible but far more specific for the application. That is straight up garbage... The 5th Gen was less bulky but probably no where near as rigid back at the transmission tunnel. However, Chevy goes on to screw the pooch up front with a Stub rail section. This has nothing but negative effects on the structure, especially for performance.



ADVANTAGE? Has to be Hydro-formed rails on the Mustang. Look at all the soft edges on the S550's rail work and the complex shapes they make. The ATS and Camao are old school fire and hammer.

 

[Free Agent]

A lot of the Chebbie kool-aid drinkers are thinking this is going to weigh in at 3500 pounds in V8 trim. Ain't no way in Hell it will be that light. Its using a longer and wider version of the ATS chassis with extra bracing to facilitate a V8 and they think its going to weigh the same as the ATS. Some of them are delusional.

I've already "gone on record" that I think the SS version will weigh at or up to 50 pounds more than a similar GT. Good thing the LT1 has a lot of torque, its going to need it.

 

[Agarc]

i could of sworn i read over on C5 that the wheel base was made bigger and the Dash to Axle" ratio longer

 

[thePill]

i could of sworn i read over on C5 that the wheel base was made bigger and the Dash to Axle" ratio longer

The Dash:Axle ratio can change while maintaining the same wheelbase. The entire cabin would need to shift towards the rear wheels.

Who knows though, it may have a slightly longer wheelbase just based on the changes from the A-Pillar up. The 6th Gen front looks completely different than the ATS. It is possible geometry needs outweighed the cost. I hope it outweighed the cost... A longer wheelbase needs a wider track and the ATS-V is sub-optimal as is. The Camaro needs a 65/64 inch setup to balance out 108 inches properly. It still won't touch the Mustangs 63/65 on a 107.

The badass GT350 has a whole inch increase over the GT. That is better than the Z06 if I'm not mistaken. The Camaro's roll center, center of gravity, ride height and foot print are inferior to the S550's.

 

[Free Agent]

I'm also chuckling about all the talk about a 12.3 quarter mile time because a sound file of the new Camaro happens to be that long. Jump to conclusions much? ;)

A lot also thinking it is going to have more HP and TQ than the Corvette as well. I remember a lot here over guessing and its happening in the Camaro camp as well.

Mark me down for 440 to 445 HP for the LT1 without their bi-modal exhaust option.

 

[Fox5.0]

I think the GM boys are going to be let down when the car doesn't weigh 3400 like they are hoping...

Still interested to see how it looks though.

 

[thaext]

I still say that there's going to be a weight loss. There HAS to be a weight loss. Overall better interior, better visibility and nifty features i.e. 7MT, Mag ride and other stuff. I'm pretty sure everybody that isn't wearing rose colored glasses realizes that the camaro outsold the s197 for the past 5 years or so.

Only time will tell if history repeats itself.

 

[Free Agent]

I think the GM boys are going to be let down when the car doesn't weigh 3400 like they are hoping...

Still interested to see how it looks though.

I think they are in for a big helping of disappointment on weight. Like you I'm interested to see what it looks like although the mules running around pretty much give it away. Curious about the LT1 power level as well.

I still say that there's going to be a weight loss. There HAS to be a weight loss. Overall better interior, better visibility and nifty features i.e. 7MT, Mag ride and other stuff. I'm pretty sure everybody that isn't wearing rose colored glasses realizes that the camaro outsold the s197 for the past 5 years or so.

Only time will tell if history repeats itself.

Oh there will be a loss for sure. The car is "shrinking" in exterior dimensions. Its not going to be as light as they are wishing though. We know exactly what happened as we went down that road last year.

 

[Todd15Fastback]

I'm pretty sure everybody that isn't wearing rose colored glasses realizes that the camaro outsold the s197 for the past 5 years or so.

This is what happens when the car you love has a 7-8 year production halt. It's not like that car outsold the Mustang by 200k units.

 

[Grimace427]

I still say that there's going to be a weight loss. There HAS to be a weight loss. Overall better interior, better visibility and nifty features i.e. 7MT, Mag ride and other stuff.

Mustang fans felt the same way before the S550 officially launched, didn't exactly come to fruition. However I hope Chevy does well with the new Camaro and it lights a fire under Ford's butt. I want the Mustang to be effing awesome in all trims, not just uber expensive Hi-Po models.

 

[Free Agent]

I'm also chuckling at lots of the Camaro fans wanting T-tops or a targa top. Some of the same ones that want it to weigh 3400 pounds. Its like they have no concept of that adding that extra glass and bracing adds weight and adds the weight at the wrong spots, up high on the car raising the center of gravity. I saw a lot of that here last year as well. The unbridled enthusiasm just addles the brain. But then of course everyone afterward is disappointed because of their overoptimistic guesses on weight. That May date can't come fast enough to shut some of those people up.

 

[HoustonMustang]

Official GM '16 Camaro teaser photo...

Official GM "Teaser" photo of the new '16 Camaro...

Significant styling change...looks smaller...possibly lighter in weight...

 

[GT Pony]

Does look a lot different. Almost has profile similar to the G6 Mustang.

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