More V6 vs. EcoBoost Banter, Please

[Jamo]

I've had the chance to test drive several different manual transmission set-ups. The V8 with each of the three axle ratios, and the EcoBoost with the 3.55. I haven't found a V6 manual with a 3.55. The 3.55 definitely wakes up the engine response and the 3.73 is just a tad too much.

The eBoost I drove was a lot of fun. This is in a semi - well populated area. It was not the V8 though, although I thought it maybe handled better since it was about 200 lbs lighter over the front wheels.

I know there are are other threads out there. But could we go over once more the different smile x satisfaction quotients from the two engines, with manual transmission and maybe the 3.55 axle, particularly with the V6 (which I maybe could afford)?

Of course, you can't get the performance package with the V6.

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[opensesame]

If you want my opinion, you will smile more with the ecoboost.

Heres an article to help you.

http://motorreview.com/2015-mustang-buy-v6-ecoboost/

 

[Bay1Stang]

If you want my opinion, you will smile more with the ecoboost.

Heres an article to help you.

http://motorreview.com/2015-mustang-buy-v6-ecoboost/

I wouldn't read this article. It's old and just speculation.

The EB does make torque but it's not that noticeable vs that 2015 v6. Dyno results will back that up as the car makes over 250 wheel torque at 2.5k rpm now. In the real world it's a difference of 20 wheel torque. Horsepower curve is similar but V6 has power all the way to redline and eco falls off at 5.5k. In terms of performance stock for stock, it's personal preference. Both cars achieve the same 0-60 and quarter mile time.

If you're okay with the idea of a tune, then the EB may be for you. For the money the EB will get more performance per dollar than the V6 in the aftermarket, especially now with the V6 aftermarket being very limited. If you're insane and want to go all out with the after market you can still throw boost on the 3.7 and make ~450hp.

The V6 is proven reliable, EB may be reliable but we will have to wait and see. Then there's sound which is personal preference. But the V6 sound appeals more to most people, whereas the EB sounds like what you'd expect from a 4 cylinder.

At the end of the day it's personal preference. The EB's greatest advantage is you have the available performance and premium packages. Whatever you get, you won't be disappointed.

 

[opensesame]

Actually it boils down to this. Do you plan to mod the car in any way?

YES. Then go with Ecoboost as the aftermarket is vast.
No. Then go with V6, if you just plan to drive it around town and what not.

 

[Jamo]

...The EB does make torque but it's not that noticeable vs that 2015 v6. Dyno results will back that up as the car makes over 250 wheel torque at 2.5k rpm now. In the real world it's a difference of 20 wheel torque. Horsepower curve is similar but V6 has power all the way to redline and eco falls off at 5.5k. In terms of performance stock for stock, it's personal preference. Both cars achieve the same 0-60 and quarter mile time.

If you're okay with the idea of a tune, then the EB may be for you. For the money the EB will get more performance per dollar than the V6 in the aftermarket, especially now with the V6 aftermarket being very limited. If you're insane and want to go all out with the after market you can still throw boost on the 3.7 and make ~450hp.

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What are you thinking of when you use the word "tune." Do you mean a $500 chip or more than that? I men, how far do you have to go to get results with the eBoost? You could have had a V8.

And are you saying that the V6 makes more torque and pulls all the way to red line and sounds better? That's pretty good.

As far as the packages go, so long as you can just get the 3.55 axle and the 18" wheels with the V6, the rest of the performance package might be nice, but it just adds to the cost.

Cost is not totally determinative - since I have a lot of money - but it is a pretty big factor.

 

[Bay1Stang]

No the Ecoboost definitely makes more Torque. The 2015 V6 makes more down low than the previous gen V6 2011-2014.

A tune is a reprogram your car I think. Not sure what it does I think increase boost, stuff like that.

Honestly man go drive them both. There should be plenty of 3.55 v6 and ecoboost out there on the lots now.

 

[cosmo]

What are you think of when you use the word "tune." Do you mean a chip o r more than that?

And are you saying that the V6 makes more torque and pulls all the way to red line and sounds better? That's pretty good.

As far as the packages go, so long as you can just get the 3.55 axle and the 18" wheels with the V6, the rest of the performance package might be nice, but it just adds to the cost.

Cost is not totally determinative - since I have a lot of money - but it is a pretty big factor.

What are you think of when you use the word "tune." Do you mean a chip o r more than that?
Companies like BAMA, COBB, Livernois, Unleashed, etc offer a tuner device along with a tune. You download the tune to the device, then plug and upload it to your car and it ups the power and fuel economy by removing a lot of the conservative settings and tweaking boost/cam timing. It will remove your factory powertrain warranty, however, Ford Racing will be releasing a tuning package that comes with a warranty.

And are you saying that the V6 makes more torque and pulls all the way to red line and sounds better? That's pretty good.
Ecoboost makes more torque to 5500 RPM, V6 makes more torque to 6500-7000. You want to feel the power right away and launch hard or do you want the power to last through the RPM range? That's personal preference. The V6 sounds more like a muscle car, the EcoBoost has an artificial sound amp played through the speakers to make it sound better in the interior, but you've driven one so you can decide how you like that sound.

As far as the packages go, so long as you can just get the 3.55 axle and the 18" wheels with the V6, the rest of the performance package might be nice, but it just adds to the cost.

Cost is not totally determinative - since I have a lot of money - but it is a pretty big factor.

It depends on what you want. You want a touring/nicer interior? Premium Ecoboost. You want cheap performance, with mod potential? EcoBoost base. You want a daily driver with solid performance for a good price? V6.

 

[Sterling Archer]

If you truly have a lot of money, then just get a premium GT. And I'm not saying that as a snide remark, I mean that it seems to fit every requirement you've put out there, and has one of the best aftermarkets for any available vehicle.

Otherwise I would ask myself whether I care more about power delivery and interior or raw power? The nice thing about the ecoboost is that's a car you'll get to have fun with in the city. You really won't need to rev out the engine much to feel it pull - and you can get the premium console + leather. Otherwise a boosted v6 will spank even a GT with basic bolt ons (again, running with your statement that you have a lot of money).

 

[Jamo]

...Otherwise a boosted v6 will spank even a GT with basic bolt ons (again, running with your statement that you have a lot of money).

Er, well, maybe not exactly a LOT of money. Who's boosting V6s? You mean a supercharger like Paxton or something for about $5K?

No, I don't have that much money.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Er, well, maybe not exactly a LOT of money. Who's boosting V6s? You mean a supercharger like Paxton or something for about $5K?

No, I don't have that much money.

A healthy number of people that are budget limited but like power buy a base v6 (back when premium was an option), and then after saving up some more would throw on a supercharger. 450-500 hp isn't out of the question, and you'd have a very meaty powerband.

But yes, it would take you into ecoboost premium territory, albeit likely still cheaper than a GT.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Also if you ever plan on tracking the vehicle, a twin-turbo v6 would probably have a better weight distribution than the v8 and would likely be considerably more powerful. The problem there is that turbos are a bitch to install on NA oem vehicles because of all the work you have to do with the exhaust.

 

[Jamo]

I'm never going to modify more than a chip, if that. I'd rather just buy the V8 and be there with it. I probably would not even modify the intake or exhaust.

 

[Sterling Archer]

I'm never going to modify more than a chip, if that. I'd rather just buy the V8 and be there with it. I probably would not even modify the intake or exhaust.

Hence my original recommendation to buy a v8. Just saying, given all of your requirements, that seems to be your best route.

 

[DJGold]

----------> thread moved to V8 section.

 

[Stam616]

What are you think of when you use the word "tune." Do you mean a chip o r more than that?
Companies like BAMA, COBB, Livernois, Unleashed, etc offer a tuner device along with a tune. You download the tune to the device, then plug and upload it to your car and it ups the power and fuel economy by removing a lot of the conservative settings and tweaking boost/cam timing. It will remove your factory powertrain warranty, however, Ford Racing will be releasing a tuning package that comes with a warranty.

And are you saying that the V6 makes more torque and pulls all the way to red line and sounds better? That's pretty good.
Ecoboost makes more torque to 5500 RPM, V6 makes more torque to 6500-7000. You want to feel the power right away and launch hard or do you want the power to last through the RPM range? That's personal preference. The V6 sounds more like a muscle car, the EcoBoost has an artificial sound amp played through the speakers to make it sound better in the interior, but you've driven one so you can decide how you like that sound.

As far as the packages go, so long as you can just get the 3.55 axle and the 18" wheels with the V6, the rest of the performance package might be nice, but it just adds to the cost.

Cost is not totally determinative - since I have a lot of money - but it is a pretty big factor.

It depends on what you want. You want a touring/nicer interior? Premium Ecoboost. You want cheap performance, with mod potential? EcoBoost base. You want a daily driver with solid performance for a good price? V6.

Good arguments! I have to say do most of you read the forums? There are several companies out with exhaust, CAIs, headers.. Etc. there are plenty of performance parts out there as well as exterior add ons(Roush anyone?) and interior upgrades (Katzskin). So far the v6 Mustangs are running about 25% of total sales so there is and will be a market for our cars for a long time. I have contacted RPI, Saleen, T-Rex and even Shelby and they are alll producing parts for the V6 or their parts are compatible with the V6. There will be much more as well. If you want a V6, get one and no worries- you can keep it stock or go crazy and turn it into a world beater. The choice is yours, besides the V6 even in stock trim sounds really really good and better than the EcoBoost. In the end what ever you get it's still a Mustang so enjoy it!!

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