6:40.8 Nurburgring Lap Time: New Mustang GTD COMPETITION Crushes Own Record

[lo-fi]

He was really quick to jump back on the wagon after bitching about the car for so long. Ford pretty much said from jump they were going to go back with the car and make improvements. While the weight, power, etc. may have been disappointing initially, some chose to ignore that statement by Ford. Others did not, then the Whipple whispers started and then most should’ve known Ford was coming back with an improved version of the car. Sucks for the early owners that may have been interested in the Competition model.

It's a problem, be first and you get an awesome car, or be later and get the "comp" model, a possibly more awesome car. Happens all the time. In this case its a bit more of a problem since you can't sell the car for two years. So if the comp model comes out you would have to technically own two unless there is some clause that lets you out of that two year mark if you buy a second GTD.

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[MAGS1]

It's a problem, be first and you get an awesome car, or be later and get the "comp" model, a possibly more awesome car. Happens all the time. In this case its a bit more of a problem since you can't see the car for two years. So if the comp model comes out you would have to technically own two unless there is some clause that lets you out of that two year mark if you buy a second GTD.

I’m sure the folks here that have allocations probably can’t disclose much, but I would be interested to know if there is a clause that lets them effectively trade out of their existing GTD early for a Comp model. Or maybe they go back to some of their high end early owners (Leno and the like) and give them first dibs at adding a Comp model to their fleet. Some folks can probably afford 2, some may not be able to. Definitely a conundrum for sure. At first announcement of the car, I would not have expected big changes to the car over the life of the program. There weren’t any changes in the 2005-2006 GT (that I’m aware of anyway) and other than some of the Heritage packages, I don’t believe there were any major changes to the 2017-2022 GT’s. At least not from a performance standpoint. This seems to be a new venture for Ford and their application only halo cars

 

[lo-fi]

I’m sure the folks here that have allocations probably can’t disclose much, but I would be interested to know if there is a clause that lets them effectively trade out of their existing GTD early for a Comp model. Or maybe they go back to some of their high end early owners (Leno and the like) and give them first dibs at adding a Comp model to their fleet. Some folks can probably afford 2, some may not be able to. Definitely a conundrum for sure. At first announcement of the car, I would not have expected big changes to the car over the life of the program. There weren’t any changes in the 2005-2006 GT (that I’m aware of anyway) and other than some of the Heritage packages, I don’t believe there were any major changes to the 2017-2022 GT’s. At least not from a performance standpoint. This seems to be a new venture for Ford and their application only halo cars

Admittedly I'm not as well versed on Ford and how they release their "trim" levels. More familiar with ze Germans and their love for introducing the "comp" model a year or three out.

 

[MAGS1]

Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves here. When Ford actually produces this car and it gets independently tested by multiple sources, on the road course and drag strip, then we'll see.

It’s not a drag strip car so who gives a shit what it does there. And some magazine test driver isn’t driving that car better than Ford/Multimatic’s driver. GM needs to up their game and have a pro driver take the ZR1/X around the Ring and let’s see what it can do in the hands of a pro. My guess is they should be faster than the GTD given the power and weight advantage but TBD

 

[robvas]

It’s not a drag strip car so who gives a shit what it does there. And some magazine test driver isn’t driving that car better than Ford/Multimatic’s driver. GM needs to up their game and have a pro driver take the ZR1/X around the Ring and let’s see what it can do in the hands of a pro. My guess is they should be faster than the GTD given the power and weight advantage but TBD

Let's not forget the ZR1 (not the X) has been beating the GTD around racetracks here in the USA by 3-4 seconds on 90-second laps. Same day, same driver, etc.

It beat the GTD (the previous time set by the production GTD) by the same amount of time on a nearly 7 minute lap.

Which is more impressive? Hint: the first one

Comparing ring times is kind of stupid because of different drivers, different days, different track conditions...

 

[MAGS1]

Let's not forget the ZR1 (not the X) has been beating the GTD around racetracks here in the USA by 3-4 seconds on 90-second laps. Same day, same driver, etc.

It beat the GTD (the previous time set by the production GTD) by the same amount of time on a nearly 7 minute lap.

Which is more impressive? Hint: the first one

Comparing ring times is kind of stupid because of different drivers, different days, different track conditions...

I really just want to see these cars pushed to their limits by the best drivers possible. Magazine testers aren’t going to be able to do that. Will Ford and GM put their pro drivers against each other on the same track, same day, same conditions? Doubtful but I’d love to see it. I agree it’s hard to truly compare Ring times since the drivers, conditions, etc. are different, but it’s the standard so it’s what we go off of.

I hope GM puts a pro driver in the ZR1 and runs it around the Ring. I want to see that car pushed to the limit and see what it’s capable of. If it beats the GTD, regardless of conditions, so be it.

 

[Epiphany]

Let's not forget the ZR1 (not the X) has been beating the GTD around racetracks here in the USA by 3-4 seconds on 90-second laps. Same day, same driver, etc.

Down by 200+ horsepower, heavier, and with a much higher center of gravity, I would expect short courses (relative to the Ring) to favor the Corvette over the Mustang. That fact that it was only a couple of seconds slower over a 13 mile stretch....legend.

 

[robvas]

I really just want to see these cars pushed to their limits by the best drivers possible. Magazine testers aren’t going to be able to do that.

You know they use guys like Randy Probst to drive the cars for those kinds of tests, not random journalists, right?

 

[robvas]

Down by 200+ horsepower, heavier, and with a much higher center of gravity, I would expect short courses (relative to the Ring) to favor the Corvette over the Mustang. That fact that it was only a couple of seconds slower over a 13 mile stretch....legend.

Excuses, excuses. What about the race derived
Suspension on the GTD?

And the same four second gap on shorter tracks where HP isn't as much of a favor. You totally missed the point of my post.

 

[MAGS1]

You know they use guys like Randy Probst to drive the cars for those kinds of tests, not random journalists, right?

Except they’re not all Randy. The majority of those guys are not professional drivers and never were.

 

[robvas]

Except they’re not all Randy. The majority of those guys are not professional drivers and never were.

And this is the guy that drove the cars in Savageese's tests where they had basically the same results.

https://www.brittcaseymotorsports.com/about

Let's face it, the GTD couldn't touch the ZR1

 

[9secondko]

Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves here. When Ford actually produces this car and it gets independently tested by multiple sources, on the road course and drag strip, then we'll see.

I agree. Was specifically referring to the Nurburgring track. And I was doing so simply bevause rhis was tje ine thing it was supposed to do in the first place.

it needs to accelerate like crazy as well (must at least be competitive) and handle American tracks at least as good as the zr1.

but credit where it’s due: multimatic said it would beat the Porsche and now it beats all of them.

if Ford would have led with this like they should have, they’d have shined so much more brightly. At least we can see the sun peaking out from the clouds now.

I’m glad the zr1 hit so hard. Without it, Ford would have celebrated the whole “sub 7” consolation prize and that would be that, followed by “hey look! Race car is even faster! Yay!”

no matter the eta or who’s in charge, Ford always gets soft when there is no real direct competition. The Gtd was cool but not at all ehst it should have been. The zr1 comes out and boom! GTD hits the gym. Now with a new Camaro coming out, the regular mustang is going to get aggressive too. Wpuld seem that Good times are coming up. This is a good start.

They just need to change the name. BMW already has the “Competition” name in its lineup.

 

[9secondko]

And this is the guy that drove the cars in Savageese's tests where they had basically the same results.

https://www.brittcaseymotorsports.com/about

Let's face it, the GTD couldn't touch the ZR1

I dont know why some just can’t look at basic facts.

zr1 won the first round. I mean, just go watch the YouTube videos of multiple drivers switching between the Gtd and zr1 and driving them simultaneously. The zr1 was so hopelessly ahead of the Gtd, which couldn’t match it in ANY metric other than the ambiguous “fun” factor. And when the slower car costs twice as much, thats just embarassing. There is no way Ford would leave it like that.

But round two is coming up. That simple. Can’t wait to see the full breadth of the GTDs capabilities and how it compares to the competition in more than handling and more than one track.

 

[MAGS1]

And this is the guy that drove the cars in Savageese's tests where they had basically the same results.

https://www.brittcaseymotorsports.com/about

Let's face it, the GTD couldn't touch the ZR1

Autobahn is a shorter course (it’s 30 minutes from me and I’ve run it a few times so I know the course, and no I’m not fast if anyone cares). The things that Tob pointed out (weight, COG) absolutely matter on a course like that. There’s a few spots on the course where HP definitely matters too. But, the GTD’s suspension alone isn’t going to solve its weight and COG disadvantages on a course like Autobahn. I wouldn’t expect it to be the fastest on that course. Depending on what Ford has done to the Comp model, it should be faster than the GTD tested at Autobahn and other, shorter American tracks. Will it beat a ZR1? Maybe, maybe not. It still has the weight and COG disadvantage, some of the additional aero should help it a bit.

And what I want to see still stands. GM has racing teams. Put one of their current drivers in the ZR1 and send it around the Ring. I want to see that car pushed to the limit around what is deemed by most of the car world as the standard bearer when it comes to tracks.

I’ll also add that some cars are just set up better to perform at certain kinds of tracks. Bigger, higher COG cars will do better around longer tracks with bigger straightaways vs shorter, twistier tracks where lighter, lower COG cars will have the advantage. That’s the point Tob was making in his earlier post. The type of tracks matters

 

[Epiphany]

Excuses, excuses. What about the race derived
Suspension on the GTD?

And the same four second gap on shorter tracks where HP isn't as much of a favor. You totally missed the point of my post.

Pointing out vital stats is an excuse? It's reality, and you can't defy that.

"Race derived suspension?" What the hell does that mean? They packaged what they could up front and had to think outside the box in the rear. Nothing more, nothing less.

And I "totally" got the point you thought you were making. It just falls flat on its face. The fat lady might be fast but she aint gonna beat the quickness of an Usain Bolt. This is elementary level physics.

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