Dark Horse SC, who's adding one, who's replacing with one, what will it do to GT500 values?

[SheepDog]

Love me an F40 but I do not have that kind of bank account LOL

Yeah, that makes 67,000 of us. They always have some awesome inventory at that place.

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[MAGS1]

Yeah, that makes 67,000 of us. They always have some awesome inventory at that place.

I’ve got a couple dealers near me that get some awesome cars like that. I’ll go and talk to sales guys just so I can look at some of the stuff they have. I’ve also made some runs at some of the cars they had for sale, so they probably tolerate me coming in to look at the million dollar cars

 

[SheepDog]

I mean, how badass is this?

https://www.bluechipfleet.com/listing/1972-ford-f250

 

[MAGS1]

I mean, how badass is this?

https://www.bluechipfleet.com/listing/1972-ford-f250

That’s pretty awesome. And we’ve successfully derailed the thread too

 

[SheepDog]

That’s pretty awesome. And we’ve successfully derailed the thread too

Indeed. Back to How much a Dorkhorse SC shouldn't cost....

 

[9secondko]

More so, directives from the current and past administrations. One of the problems with switching Presidents every 4 or 8 years, is that the laws and regulations (especially concerning the environment) constantly get changed, so manufacturers that build things that must meet current emissions standards have to try and stay ahead of it, which forces them to develop things that people may not even want. Joe Biden was responsible for the push to electrification, and by making the emissions standards for ICE vehicles increasingly difficult to achieve, it forced all of these car companies to build EV's and hybrids that most people never wanted in the first place. Enter Trump, and now they can go back to making things people want. In 3 years, could totally swing the other way again, and manufactures will be forced to redesign once again.

The Corvette and Mustang were never direct competitors, and now that the C8 exists, this divide only widened. GM definitely needs a new Camaro, even if it borrows a lot of parts from the last version. (I love the ZL1). The Camaro and Mustang were closely matched in terms of performance and other attributes. I never really considered the Challenger to be part of that group (big ,heavy, handles like shit) and this new Challenger 6 pack thing follows suite.

These companies build all of these cars for enthusiasts. They don't "have to" do it at all. The money they make to keep the lights on comes from SUV's and pickup trucks.

mustang and corvette were never competitors until the GTD came along. And it really can’t compete dince
It’s based on a car not meant to be in that class.

but that does not dispute the fact that GM has invested more in a niche car than Ford has in s better selling car. Sad stuff.

 

[9secondko]

That is unequivocally incorrect. The licensing agreements are pennies on the dollar in comparison to everything else.

hence it being the third of thrre points. Nevertheless, it’s still part of the pile -enough for Ford to forgo it altogether. So it’s right on the nose.

 

[9secondko]

Indeed. Back to How much a Dorkhorse SC shouldn't cost....

must it relates directly to whether or not it will be added to some of our garages - which is in fact the topic of this thread. But I get it. There are three or four of you trying to shift the momentum of this thread into more favorable toward the car. Cool. You dig it. Some of us are working our way through its drawbacks. But it’s all relevant.

the pricing itself will be a contributor to previous gen gt500s as well.

 

[SheepDog]

There are three or four of you trying to shift the momentum of this thread into more favorable toward the car.

Well yeah. Its a cool car, with tons of performance, and for the estimated price, is a value when compared to other vehicles at or near the same price. Is it a good value when compared to historical pricing on similar vehicles? No, but pretty sure none of us have a time machine. What else can you buy (new) that will be of similar performance and price?

I'd rather have this DHSC than a C8 Z51, or a BMW M3, or a Model S Plaid.

If you don't like it or think that Ford cut corners on the development or whatever, don't buy one.
Everything costs more today, and prices continue to go up, mostly to support corporate greed.

You can build a DHSC killer out of a GT if you want.

 

[Inthehighdesert]

We get it, you’re a hater. You can justify it anyway you wish. Most can and do. The cold reality is you wouldn’t be a buyer at any price point lets be honest. Higher tier vehicles of any flavor aren’t for everybody. They’re not meant to be. It is what is. There’s some things(aesthetics) I’m not completely onboard with but there’s virtually no car that’ll do that for me. If I didn’t have cftp 500 and was in the market for that type of vehicle I’d absolutely be after an SC. I think the car will be in the 120-125k range loaded. We’ll see soon enough. I wouldn’t mind a Gt3 touring or an RS, but not willing to pay where they are currently. That’s my choice, but I don’t feel the need to trash the car because I’m not willing to pony it up.

must it relates directly to whether or not it will be added to some of our garages - which is in fact the topic of this thread. But I get it. There are three or four of you trying to shift the momentum of this thread into more favorable toward the car. Cool. You dig it. Some of us are working our way through its drawbacks. But it’s all relevant.

the pricing itself will be a contributor to previous gen gt500s as well.

 

[MAGS1]

There are three or four of you trying to shift the momentum of this thread into more favorable toward the car.

No, we just understand there is still actual R&D costs associated with the car even if it’s using a similar drivetrain as a previous generation car. And I use the term similar on purpose because we don’t know if the Predator and DCT have been updated/modified from when it was used in S550. Wholesale changes likely no, but some small changes are possible. And those changes need to be engineered and tested into the car. Thus, costs incurred that have to be spread over the car program.

You seem to live in a fantasy land where virtually no new costs should be incurred on a new car model simply because it’s re-using some parts from a previous generation. The actual car itself is different enough that there is absolutely R&D costs going into everything on that car. Some parts will get more R&D than others, but you need to test and engineer, especially when you’re talking a 700+hp car.

 

[Epiphany]

The R&D on the car has been paid for a long time ago as has the design and engineering on the drivetrain.

The R&D is ongoing - it never ends. NHTSA requires crash testing every year. Same car, should have been paid for by now right? No. The EPA (CARB is still getting submissions as well) requires all kinds of testing year after year. If what you were saying was reasonable then the GTD engine would be as inexpensive as it gets to include include with the rest of the car. Again, nope. Every single year there is an army of employees dedicated to just testing. Go through the submission for the 2026 5.2L engine used in the GTD. This must be done every, single, year.

https://dis.epa.gov/otaqpub/display_file.jsp?docid=64704&flag=1

The above is submitted after thousand of hours of development from numerous departments within Ford and its subcontractors. Just one element of many that makes up the complete car.

 

[9secondko]

The R&D is ongoing - it never ends. NHTSA requires crash testing every year. Same car, should have been paid for by now right? No. The EPA (CARB is still getting submissions as well) requires all kinds of testing year after year. If what you were saying was reasonable then the GTD engine would be as inexpensive as it gets to include include with the rest of the car. Again, nope. Every single year there is an army of employees dedicated to just testing. Go through the submission for the 2026 5.2L engine used in the GTD. This must be done every, single, year.

https://dis.epa.gov/otaqpub/display_file.jsp?docid=64704&flag=1

The above is submitted after thousand of hours of development from numerous departments within Ford and its subcontractors. Just one element of many that makes up the complete car.

LOL. Of course it is. But only to a point. Most of the R&D for the 659 was in the s550. The same with the predator/DCT drivetrain. Let’s be real. It’s not “all-new” R&D and that is the point.

 

[Tomster]

lol, me on the way to ask my boss for a 25% pay bump…

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Should have been an airline pilot.

 

[wingnutt]

Should have been an airline pilot.

no sir, hard pass…you stick to busses, I’ll stick to limos

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